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    02-12-2013, 11:27 AM
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Green Broke
Stocking Up?

So, Henny has been stocking up lately. It's been raining and cold, so he's been stalled up when the weather is nasty. I make sure he gets at least 1-2 hours outside when he is stalled. Otherwise, he's out in the paddock(that has no shelter) 24/7.

There is bilateral swelling in the hinds, although his left hind is a tad more swollen than the other. No heat in the hooves and his legs are the same temp as his body. The swelling does go down with walking and cold hosing, and is gone completely while he's out in his paddock.

Here's where my confusion stems from. He was on stall rest for almost two months after his accident in November. He was getting daily exercise though. He never stocked up once. Granted, he was on Dex and bute at the time and was slowly being weaned off. I did give him a gram of bute in his feed on Thursday, but it did not seem to help at all with the swelling.

His feet are in cruddy condition due to a bad trim. Thin soles, thin hoof walls, and he's got a negative PA. We're working with my vet's personal farrier to get him all corrected going off of radiographs that were taken. He has poor blood flow in his hooves due to their poor condition. So that brings me to my actual question. Would the poor blood flow in his hooves make him more prone to stocking up? I've already contacted my vet to ask and I'm just waiting to hear back. What are y'all's opinions? Attached is a picture of him on Friday evening. He was let out Friday night and his swelling had completely disappeared by morning. Sorry for picture quality!
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    02-12-2013, 11:48 AM
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Well, you have to think of the horse's hooves working as 4 smaller hearts that help to pump blood back into the body with each step. If the horse has poor circulation, either from a bad trim or sitting in his stall all day, the blood does not get pumped back into the body and the swelling happens.

As long as the swelling goes down when you take him out to walk him, you should be alright. You might want to invest in some Back On Track wraps (if they make them in their size) and just put them on for a little bit at a time. But check with your vet just to make sure.

I imagine the Dex and bute used before really helped to keep the swelling at bay, especially if that was the purpose for his head.

You can also try putting a toy or treat roller in his stall to try and encourage him to move while he's in there.

Good luck! Poor Henny! Lily is stuck in her stall for bad weather too. Luckily she has the foaling stall and can almost longe herself in there, haha.
     
    02-12-2013, 11:58 AM
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Haha, he's got a bunch of stuff in there to keep him moving. A salt/mineral tub, his hay bag which is on the opposite side of the stall from his water, and a jolly ball. I don't think he plays with the ball, though. His stall is 12x12 so it's pretty roomy for him, but not roomy enough. :/ He will be kicked out to his paddock tonight, though! No more rain expected 'til next Wednesday!
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    02-13-2013, 04:35 AM
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I make sure he gets at least 1-2 hours outside when he is stalled. Otherwise, he's out in the paddock(that has no shelter) 24/7.
I would suggest if you absolutely must coop him up, 1-2 hours is not enough, especially if you're not going to actively exercise him. I'd be taking him for at least a handful of walks daily if you're not allowed to let him out. But leaving him out, in company, with a rug on if there's no shelter would be my choice. Horses have spent the last... millions of years evolved to live in the open. A little rain or cold really, truly won't kill him.

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He was on stall rest for almost two months .... He was getting daily exercise though. ...he was on Dex and bute
It is my understanding(could be wrong) that bute & such has no effect on stocking up because it's fluid, not inflammation. It was probably the exercise that helped avoid this problem, although I believe nutritional/systemic probs can cause them to be more or less 'prone'. I must say, if he was well enough for daily exercise, he probably wasn't likely bad enough for cooping up.

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His feet are in cruddy condition due to a bad trim. Thin soles, thin hoof walls, and he's got a negative PA. ...He has poor blood flow in his hooves
Just from A bad trim? I suspect there's more to that. Poor blood flow will also be improved from good hoof function/exercise. Yes, lack of exercise & circulation will lead to stocking up.

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Well, you have to think of the horse's hooves working as 4 smaller hearts
A common myth, but not actually correct. If hooves are functioning properly, blood flow is slowed down when forced through the hoof.
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    02-13-2013, 10:03 AM
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Thanks for the info, Loosie. It really is difficult to safely get him some daily exercise. I hand walk/trot him every day, but that it the best I can do as he's 10 months old and I won't be lunging him. He was let out in his paddock last night and it did rain. I checked on him this morning and he did not melt! I just worry because I'm in coastal Texas so we're used to hot, hot, humid weather, so cold and wet is something he's not used to. At the same time, it's not cold enough to blanket! He's getting a visit from the farrier this weekend and we are slowly repairing his feet.

He is currently on 3 lbs of Purina Enrich 32, a pound of alfalfa pellets, and about 13 pounds of coastal hay. I feed the hay in a slow feed bag, and it lasts him a full day so he's technically on "free choice" hay. But he was out in his paddock last night(the only horse let out) and he didn't seem to be any worse for wear. :)
     
    02-13-2013, 10:28 AM
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Thanks for the info, Loosie. It really is difficult to safely get him some daily exercise. I hand walk/trot him every day, but that it the best I can do as he's 10 months old and I won't be lunging him. He was let out in his paddock last night and it did rain. I checked on him this morning and he did not melt! I just worry because I'm in coastal Texas so we're used to hot, hot, humid weather, so cold and wet is something he's not used to. At the same time, it's not cold enough to blanket! He's getting a visit from the farrier this weekend and we are slowly repairing his feet.

He is currently on 3 lbs of Purina Enrich 32, a pound of alfalfa pellets, and about 13 pounds of coastal hay. I feed the hay in a slow feed bag, and it lasts him a full day so he's technically on "free choice" hay. But he was out in his paddock last night(the only horse let out) and he didn't seem to be any worse for wear. :)
Oh, how I wish we were just getting rain. Our horses are in as of now because everything is ice! It was 45F the other day, that melted the foot or so of snow we had, now it's freezing and windy, back to negative temps. I'd love for it to just be a bit cold and raining, lol.

Being outside is good for him! I know it's hard with the rain and worrying about the cold, but I agree with others he needs it. He's still young and I'd rather have our youngsters outside unless it's negative temps and an ice skating rink. If it's not cold enough to blanket and just raining I think he'll be fine! If anything bring him in, love him up, groom him, maybe throw a cooler on him to dry him off a bit then turn him out.

I sure hope his little feet get better soon!

Our three little babies this morning. Walker (2), Scout and Gracie both 8 months or so.
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    02-13-2013, 10:35 AM
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Stocking up is usually associated with the lymphatic system and less to do with the circulatory system. From my understanding, blood is always moving but the lymphatic system requires the impact and flexion of movement to "circulate" properly. As loosie said, if the horse can't be turned out for significantly longer, he should be hand walked and encouraged to really stride out (some in hand trotting could also be good).

My mare stocks up if she's been in too long/hasn't been moving around enough. She's about 20 yrs old though so I think in her case it's a little more common. The best thing for her is to be ridden. She'll go into the arena sort of stocked up, and come out perfect.
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    02-13-2013, 10:44 AM
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Anna your youngsters are adorable! And I have to say that I am totally jealous of your indoor arena

That does make a lot of sense, Eolith. I do hand walk/trot him every day both before and after I turn him out for a couple hours. I even hand walk him when he's been turned out all day. I have every day interaction with him on the lead, no matter what I'm doing. I use Keratex hoof hardener on his feet every day to help his soles grow thicker and always work on a little groundwork even if it's just getting him to back up. I really do encourage him to get moving while I'm there.
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    02-13-2013, 10:47 AM
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Why would you stock up on horse legs? Makes no sense :s
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    02-13-2013, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Kayella    
Thanks for the info, Loosie. It really is difficult to safely get him some daily exercise. I hand walk/trot him every day, but that it the best I can do as he's 10 months old and I won't be lunging him.
Nothing wrong with handwalking - it's great actually & far better than lunging for exercise anyway.

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Texas so we're used to hot, hot, humid weather, so cold and wet is something he's not used to. At the same time, it's not cold enough to blanket!
Sounds like no need in the least to worry then. Except in as far as hot & wet is optimal conditions for fungal & other infections, so just keep an eye on his skin & hooves on that note.

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He is currently on 3 lbs of Purina Enrich 32, a pound of alfalfa pellets, and about 13 pounds of coastal hay.
3lb sounds like a fairly large amount for just a supplement. I'd ensure that much was fed over a few feeds daily. But I'd personally opt for a different nutritional supp myself. When the main ingredients are all 'product' or 'by-products' I'd steer clear. It's also got a fair amount of molasses in it, and quite a lot of calcium & protein, which may not be appropriate to balance his diet, considering alfalfa is high calcium & protein and coastal hay can sometimes be quite high calcium - tho of course all grass/hay is different depending on where/how it's grown, so couldn't know whether that's the case for your particular hay.

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I use Keratex hoof hardener on his feet every day to help his soles grow thicker
Keratex IMO used daily(or otherwise regularly/long term) is a bad move & will not help his hooves grow. It changes the structure of the keratin & sort of 'bonds' them, making the outer layer of horn harder & more brittle. Good nutrition & lots of exercise/good hoof function is what will make his hooves grow. As he's only 10 months old, his walls will naturally be thinner than a mature horse.
     

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