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        06-24-2011, 04:22 AM
    drinking water in super hot weather.

    Just for a reference I have 4 horses 3 of which are over 16HH and one small arab 14.2hh. My 4 horses go through 100 gal of water EVERY day sometimes more. And sometimes I come out after filling the tank in the morning and it's almost gone in the afternoon. If you are (LIKE ME ) coming out to find empty water tank ever I'd say that you need a bigger water bucket. (I do too)

    My water tank is 100 gal or 120 gal I think it's 120 gal but obviously that's not enough in this hot weather. I live on the gulf coast and I can look out almost any day and see my horses all sweated up just staning in the pasture grazing! I have not even thought of ridding it's just to darn hot.

    Also please check your worming program. Parasites are a huge factor in most colic cases now days. Even if you are worming are you switching products and are you POSITIVE the horses all get a full dose??
    Good luch and i'm very sorry for your losses.
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        06-24-2011, 04:24 AM

    You can usually tell of the horses are dehydrated by looking at their poo. If they have a slimy mucus in their poo it means they are dehydrated.
        06-24-2011, 06:20 PM
    I helped recently with a colicing horse. This horse took warm water from a bucket and we squirted mineral oil in his mouth. He came through. I made it a practice to give gatoraide as a treat and my horse loves it. In the winter he loves it warm. I know this would be difficult if you had lots of horses.
        06-24-2011, 10:37 PM
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    I understand that, but as mentioned, all but two of these horses are miniatures, which stand 28-36 inches tall. They drink quite a bit less than our average sized horses. None of them are dehydrated according to the BO and to the vet, so I'm assuming that they are perfectly fine.

    We have them on a worming program and have not had any signs of worminess in the past or present, thankfully. I highly doubt that worms would be the issue.

    No way to really know until the results come back I guess. Everyone seems to be feeling much better after the rain though, which is a good sign ^^ we'll just have to wait and see!
        06-26-2011, 02:48 AM
    regarding minis

    You know I kind of forgot you were dealing with Minis and honestly I know less then nothing about them. I have raised dogs for many years. We have French and English Bulldogs which are pretty extreme breeds. I've noticed with the Frenchies which are mini bulldogs, that they have the potential for a lot of problems that the regular bullies don't have. Something about breeding something for size only for so many generations just makes them more susceptible to everything.... it's easier for them to die having puppies, easier to die of any dog disease. They have more wierd reactions to vaccines...
    They are just more delicate.

    I hope you figure out whats wrong and possibly it's just this heat and no rain that's doing them in. The extreme heat causes a chain reaction that involves a lot of things we don't think about like a lack of grazing, lack of water to cool off in, lack of shade from trees drying up etc...
        06-26-2011, 04:57 PM
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    Heaven- I've actually heard a lot of negative feedback about mineral oil because they can asperate(sp?) it. I've also heard that it doesn't really coat the stomache or anything at all dispite what everyone says, but is digested. For that reason we don't usually use mineral oil, but we do use banamine and a few other natural things to help them. Unfortunately the yearling had already twisted an intestine by this time, and the second mare died unexpectedly, even after treatment and improvement. Colic is a crazy thing.

    WildAcreFarms- you're absolutely correct. We've had so many crazy problems with our minis...from skeletal malfunctions such as too-narrow airways to allergies to leather (Makes for a very...interesting...situation) you just never know with these little guys.

    We're still waiting for the results, but once we get them in, I'll be sure to share them with everyone who is interested ^^
        06-26-2011, 06:30 PM
    Green Broke
    I am so sorry about the loss of your horses.

    You also need to contact your extension agent and ask him about any plants/grasses/weeds that become toxic when the weather is in severe drought, (or rain too for that matter) as many growing things change their chemical makeup when the weather is far from normal.

    Somewhere I read about just this, and believe it too was in Southwest? But the plants were not toxic when the weather was normal for that area, but during extreme prolonged drought became poisonous.

    But the USDA extension office could tell you, AND call the best university in your state and ask to speak to the botany professor and describe what is happening. IF they are any good, they might be able to help. And the Vet department too at the school.

    Make sure too, to contact the mill that feed came from as they could be running chicken feed through before horse feed, and that will colic and kill them too, if even a tiny bit of some of the ingredients gets put into the horse feed.

    And report this to the CDC, as I think they are the ones who keep a rundown of pet food recalls and medications.

    But type in search engine "animal food recalls" and try "drought makes plants deadly to livestock" or words to that effect and see what comes up.

    I will try and find the book that I read about the plants killing livestock during drought, if I can. Older book, and will have to search through my horsebooks, but will look.
        06-26-2011, 08:46 PM
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    Thank you SO much Palomine. I'll try to get that done as soon as possible, you've brought some very interesting theories to the table. I did already contact the mill and report that two of our horses have died of colic and (now)two have minorly coliced. All seems good with that, but I'll be contacting them again after we get the autopsy results.

    Again, thankyou! You've been very helpful.
        06-26-2011, 09:21 PM
    Originally Posted by Endiku    
    Cherie- living in Texas as we do, we already mix half a cup of salt with every bucket of feed from May up until September as the vet recommended, so he probably didn't feel that he needed to tell us again.

    Our first thought was dehydration, too. We carefully monitor the horse's water intake though, and the increase seemed to be normal. Generally all sixteen horses will drink two to two and a half 50-gallon tubs in the summer, and they've been right at that mark. Ofcourse, we understand that this doesnt necessarily mean a horse is hydrated, especially in this weather- but when checking for the telltale concaves, gums, skin, etc, they all seemed fine. Either way, we did give them all IV fluids even before the vets arrived, but it didn't seem to make a difference.

    We went out and bought some Sand-Free which is supposed to be a really good Pysllium flush-out. It costs almost $90 for a 15 pound bucket though, which was definitely a large chunk out of our non existant money. Really hoping that it works! The good news though, is that now that the dust has turned to mud, everyone's eyes and noses are much happier.

    Alwaysbehind- we were offered to do one on the first filly and declined, thinking it was a fluke. On the second mare though, after a lot of talking it over, we decided that it was best to go ahead and get one, so yes. The results won't be back for two weeks though, and that's a lot of time when you're dealing with colic like this. I'm really hoping the psyllium is going to work.
    That doesn't seem like much water to me for Texas? Mine in iowa which isn't as warm drink 15 plus gallons of water per day
        06-27-2011, 06:14 PM
    Churumbeque -- don't forget these are only minis.

    Endiku -- mineral oil isn't meant to coat the stomach and it is not digested. Vegetable oil is digested. The mineral oil is intended to get things moving -- a laxative really.

    Interesting ideas from Palomine. But, what/who is an "extension agent?" Never heard that one. I wonder if we have an equivalent in Canada.

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