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    10-17-2010, 12:17 AM
Originally Posted by Amarea    
Trailhorse, I have to disagree. While I do use the Epics with my barefoot Appy, I don't think you would have any more of an issue riding in them with a horse with shoes as opposed to a barefoot horse.
I just figure the boots would extend the overall length of the foot and make the foot take a split second longer to leave the ground. In theory.

In actuality, you could very well be right and I could be wrong. But if the horse is already stepping on himself, I would be trying to shorten the toe on the front, not make it longer. In theory anyway.

Also, my personal belief is that if the horse is stepping on his shoes something is wrong with the function of the foot, ie, the breakover is not correct. OR, the farrier could just be plain sloppy and is leaving too much shoe for the horse to catch with his rear feet. But the farrier doesn't want the horse loosing shoes all the time either, so I bet he doesn't have much excess shoe hanging out on the front feet.

So that is why I think the front feet need to leave the ground quicker. The boots may help keep the shoes from getting ripped off. Or it could cause the horse to stumble and fall down if he catches the boots and they don't come off as easily as a regular shoe would. So I dunno. We are all taking our best guesses.
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    10-17-2010, 12:35 AM
If the boot is fitting properly, there should be very minimal excess in the toe. You want the hoof to fit as snugly against the wall as possible to prevent it from turning, etc. A properly fitted boot won't add anything more than maybe a half an inch or so. It's also a good idea to roll the toe of your Easyboots with a rasp to encourage a more natural movement. Mine have it done. I actually think they are making some of the newer ones with it already done. See the toe on here?

    10-18-2010, 10:11 AM
Originally Posted by BWolters    
I was told to put the boot on if he losses a shoe.. Which is stupid I thought because he still out of balance, only thing you are doing is protecting the frog etc, but like I said this is my first experience with a horse that has shoes
What the boot is doing (when he looses his shoe) is protecting what is left of his hoof so he does not break and chip before the farrier can get there and put the shoe back on.

Originally Posted by trailhorserider    
And I don't think the Easyboots are a good idea over shoes. All it is going to do is give him more toe to trip over and slow the breakover down, causing him to step on himself even more.
I agree with you.

I have several sets of Easy Boots and Epics.

Adding them to the shod horse really is not the answer there. Even if it helped it would be more of a band-aid.

The OP needs to talk with her farrier and discuss the issue and hopefully the farrier can trim this horse in a manner that he is not stepping on himself.

Hoof boots are great things. They are just not the answer to everything in life.

Originally Posted by Amarea    
If the boot is fitting properly, there should be very minimal excess in the toe. You want the hoof to fit as snugly against the wall as possible to prevent it from turning, etc. A properly fitted boot won't add anything more than maybe a half an inch or so.
But it is adding something. Even rasped back, it is more than is there now.
    10-18-2010, 12:36 PM
Ok farrier came! After about an hour of talking and looking and measuring we added clips and shortened the distance from the shoe to the outer edge ( not sure whats its called? Overhang?) He seems to think this will help, hopefully. He says the nails are setting perfect and cinching down. We kept the aluminum shoe to keep the size of nail down etc. SO CROSS YOUR FINGERS!
    10-18-2010, 12:47 PM
I have not read all the replies so if I repeat something I am sorrry :)

It sounds to me like he needs his breakover brought back... what does your farrier say??

Can you get us some ground level pictures of his feet?? Also looking straight on the bottom and "down" the heel when you are holding the hoof relaxed by the cannon??

I am betting he has long toes and most likely underran heels that is normally the most common issue I have seen when dealing with horses pulling shoes
    10-18-2010, 12:56 PM
We've had horses at my barn that have trouble holding a shoe. Per farrier's instructions, we stable them or put them in a dry, dirt round pen at night so that their feet aren't out on the evening/early morning dew. Keeping their feet dry helps them keep the shoes on.
    10-18-2010, 01:35 PM
Ya he rounded his backs to help with breakover.. We will see! Talk about complicated! I never would have thought it would be that bad! This is my first horse that needs shoes
    10-18-2010, 02:11 PM
The fronts need rolled not the backs ... actually might be both need rolled but getting the fronts out of the way is the issue
    10-18-2010, 02:27 PM
Ya he has always rolled fronts tryed back now
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