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    10-17-2011, 03:45 PM
  #11
Foal
I agree with you completely in the feeling alone. When you find a good vet or equine hospital they should be able to help you out a lot even through a phone call I've found. I was lucky though... I came from green owners to went to a barn full of knowledge. And if you have a vet that won't give you a straight answer I say you are doing the right think about looking for a new one. If you trust your farrier he/she should know where to direct you for a good local vet. I had an experience like yours with a farrier. Things needed to be cared for with Coppers feet but instead of walking me threw it he just pointed it out and put his new shoes on... than 4 days later, pulling one shoe and 500 dollars in vet bills later Copper is lame... and has been for 4 weeks now. It frustrating and I feel your pain. Sorry you had to go through all of it. I personally think they both look good. The only overweight thing that I notice in Epona is that the rump looks a little bit to heavy. But I've never really analysed a draft so it could just be a green eye. Good luck on the vet search. I hope you can find one as awesome as mine!!
     
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    10-17-2011, 03:45 PM
  #12
Banned
Also, would it be wrong of us to teach Beau to bite anyone who asks if he's an Appendix?



One girl just stared at me like I was lying when I said he was an off tracker...I was close to pulling his lip up and showing her his tattoo...but I don't think she would believe me anyhow.

He is such a glutton, he eats more than Epona. Really! I swear it's true...he gets twice the hay she does...and while she wastes a good bit of her by lying down on it or pooping on it...he eats every last bit of his....even if he laid on it.

Oh and someone asked: no, neither has respiratory problems

And Maura: the vet did a full body exam, and said she was very fat. She gave her a body score of 8....our farrier says that's a bit high.....but I can accept 8 as realistic......until she changed her mind two weeks later and said she was normal.

??????????????????????

Plus: our farrier says the body scoring doesn't really work for drafts as they have fat deposits NORMALLY where others don't. Is this true?
     
    10-17-2011, 03:55 PM
  #13
Weanling
Eh....she's a little heavy but not majorly. My drafts came through last winter at about that level of condition. I've spent the summer pulling a little back off for the sake of their hooves. Getting a good slow feeder for their hay helped mine a lot. I wouldn't lose sleep over this vet (easier said than done I know!). I'm developing a permanent eye roll every time I interact with ours.
     
    10-17-2011, 04:59 PM
  #14
Trained
The grey horse is extremely overweight for an OTTB... so about right for any healthy horse. He looks good to me. The draft hores is pretty fat and could use some hard work but I don't think she will founder anytime soon. You do need to keep an eye on her weight as a founder in a horse that big can be a death sentence.
     
    10-17-2011, 08:33 PM
  #15
Green Broke
I think Beau looks fantastic, but Epona is a little overweight. With drafts, I think looking for a crease along the back is the easiest way to tell if they're where they should be. Epona definitely has a positive crease there, like #4 on this picture (which is from a body scoring system that ranks 0-5)



I would definitely keep looking for a new vet- one who specializes in horses and preferably who has plenty of experience with drafts.
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    10-17-2011, 09:00 PM
  #16
Banned
Great, very useful diagram, verona.

I used to jokingly say when the ponies had a rain gutter running down their backs ( # 5 on your diagram) it was time for the dry lot.
     
    10-17-2011, 09:09 PM
  #17
Green Broke
Beau looks like a happy, healthy pleasure horse. Sure he has a little more covering than a TB that is in work but no cause for concern from what I see. However, I wouldn't want any more weight on him. I can't comment on drafts as I don't know enough about them to say one way or the other.

I think what your BO did in regards to looking up videos on youtube to leave nasty comments was a very strange thing to do, what a snarky world we live in. Then again, I wouldn't be calling my vet 'stupid' out loud, let alone on a public forum, even if I thought I was right. Sometimes snarky begets snarky in one way or another.

How snarky of me

Seriously though, talk to your vet about their diagnosis or get a new vet, labeling them stupid on the internet is a little unfair when they don't have a chance to respond and explain themselves.
     
    10-17-2011, 10:44 PM
  #18
Banned
I understand your point, sarah...IF I had named the vet. OR the BO for that matter. Since I haven't named her or even mentioned where she practices (as in what state) then it isn't snarky to say a professional, be it trainer, BO, farrier, vet, riding
Instructor,etc....is horse stupid, unprofessional, a thief, an animal abuser or what other adjectives you want to use.


MOST OF US who are honest will admit to having posted at some point in our lives that SOMEONE in our horse world was .... evil, stupid, idiotic,etc.....
I have said our vet is horse stupid. You don't know her name or what city or state she practices in since I live near the boarder of three states....

I have said our ex BO was evil. YOu don't know her name or what city or town or state she resides since I live near the boarder of three states.

Neither of these women are hurt by my opinion of them as they don't come on the forum, none of their customers come on the forum, no one knows me, no one knows their name or place of residence.
Here's a bit of insight: both BO and vet are anonymous, and anonymous people rarely feel the need to vindicate themselves....WHY? Well, because they are anonymous ROFL

For everyone's opinion on my horses' weight, I sincerely thank you. With winter coming on, I suppose the pasture issue will be put on hold. But next year we will have to make up a game plan of how much grass they should get and maybe even have to keep Epona on dry lot for a few hours while Beau is out on pasture. As in Beau getting 8 hours of grazing and Epona only 5...... I can imagine the ruckus she will cause, but we love her enough to put her health first...
     
    10-18-2011, 12:45 AM
  #19
Green Broke
Yes, my comment was snarky. Which I admitted.

No, I don't call people stupid, in real life or on the internet as I think it is childish and unproductive. Do other people do it? Yes. I think they are childish also.

Sure your vet isn't a member here and probably neither are other people in your life but google the word(s) Beausant and/or Epona and whoopdy-do what comes up? This thread I bet. Because it is a public forum. So while you might think it is anonymous it really isn't, anyone can read it.

Yes I am probably being a little high and mighty but it irks me when people are so quick to label a vet/trainer/farrier as stupid/unprofessional/abusive/whatever and then only give their side of the story without allowing the other party right of rebuttal. As for saying that you only called your vet 'horse stupid' (much of a muchness anyway) you may want to check the title of your thread.

Also, I am pretty sure you have made a thread about this very topic before a few months back:

http://www.horseforum.com/horse-health/epona-grossly-fat-ir-horse-who-91523/

The vet at that time gave a body score of 8 (or estimated) and mentioned IR to you. I guess it was a different vet at a different time since June is a lot longer than two weeks ago and plenty of time for a horses weight to change, particularly if her weight was an issue you were potentially addressing at the time.

In regards to IR, if you are worried, have her tested as some IR horses aren't obese. There is no damage done in having a test done and having it show up as negative.
     
    10-18-2011, 10:19 AM
  #20
Foal
I think they both look great. My QH mare foundered last year and I (or anyone else for that matter) would never have considered her overweight but it happened anyway. And my Walker is such a easy keeper the only think I can give him a palmful of grain along with his smartpak omegas to keep him shiney, because he gains weight of nothing, honestly. My Vet( who I love because he is only being honest because I see that my walker is chunky/stocky too) tells me every year that he's amazed he hasnt foundered...and again have to explain to him about the only thing he gets to make him chunky is hay...and the vet just laughs and probably thinks I give him more than I say...but I know what I do for my horses so it doenst bother me. He's also up in the barn every night. Honestly I just think its the way he's build, course I could probably exercise him more but not always a option. And your lucky that your TB is such a easy keeper, most are not. I boarded a TB for over a year and that stinker was so hard to keep weight on, but I had him looking great but it sure was alot more work than mine required. I don't get the impression you would purposely set your horses up for failure otherwise you wouldnt be asking for other opinions. I even tried Snap on a supplement that was supposed to help cresty horses, quiesinece (which is supposed to help spooky ones to I guess) and let me tell you, that poor horse was acting like I had him on valium within a few days. I would have to go find him and bring him in because he would acting like he was stoned under tree. Craziest thing...but honestly that's just the way he is. The vet even said that walkers are notoriously lightweights in the drug dept, so he needs next to nothing in order to get his teeth floated etc. But again, I am only trying to keep him healthy and that's all you can do.
     

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