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    02-26-2012, 09:00 PM
  #11
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Joe4d    
has she had a rabies shot? I thought this was normal, but recently found out that since you can't mail order rabies like you do the others lots of horses don't get them.
Some vets don't even like to give them. I asked my vet when he was out doing shots in the past and he said my guys didn't need them. And we live in the woods. I don't know why it isn't a good idea as there are cases of rabies in my state.
     
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    02-27-2012, 02:54 PM
  #12
Showing
Maybe she didn't want to be blanketed. Ponies get notoriously hot under blankets and uncomfortable. When it's windy, horses get nervous as they are bombarded with sounds and can't tell which ones they should be concerned with. Put one in a cage and it can become a nervous wreck as there's no escape. We see them as safe, they see a stall as a trap.
     
    02-27-2012, 03:14 PM
  #13
Foal
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Originally Posted by trailhorserider    
Some vets don't even like to give them. I asked my vet when he was out doing shots in the past and he said my guys didn't need them. And we live in the woods. I don't know why it isn't a good idea as there are cases of rabies in my state.

This is not my personal view, but a lot of folks (around here anyway) don't vaccinate for it because the likelihood of a horse actually getting it are slim and there is the (small) chance of a reaction to the vaccine. To a lot of people its just spending $ on something that is probably not necessary. I work at the state veterinary diagnostic lab and I have only seen a few cases of suspected rabies actually be confirmed as that. Most of the time it is some other virus at work.
     
    02-27-2012, 03:40 PM
  #14
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
That sounds like a reaction to physical causes, not so much a behavior issue due to lack of leadership. That sort of problem usually creeps on little by little, not an abrupt change. It could be her season, but this cannto be the first time she's been in season since you have had her, no?
I tend to agree with this sounds more like a physical thing.Weather changes very often cause heightened behavior in horses.With her coming in from cold & you rubbing her down you may have hit a sensitive spot she lashed out.Sounds like she continued to be a bit hyped up in her stall not settling down quiet to eat.Need to watch her then assess her when she is in a calmer quiet state. Watch her non verbal cues for hints of dominance/aggression vs being uptight/nervous. If she shows more the latter then I would suspect it is something more physical,she is hurting somewhere...
     
    02-27-2012, 04:28 PM
  #15
Trained
Does she have belly sounds? Has she pooped? By any chance were you rubbing her belly when she did this? I am concerned that this is pain, and personally, I would keep a really close eye on her. I wouldn't tun her out again until I saw poop, and could see what the consistency is, etc. to make shire she isn't colicky. I would probably also make sure she is peeing, just in case it is kidney related. All of those things working, I personally would go over her with a discerning eye to see if there are any obvious ouchy spots. Sure sounds like pain to me.
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    02-27-2012, 04:35 PM
  #16
Green Broke
I'd get another vet,
Horse gets west nile ? Horsey gets sick.
Horse gets rabies and nips you YOU DIE . Ummm I think I'll be getting a rabies shot.
Interestingly enough the symptoms the OP described are classic rabies although probably something different,yet no one seems concerned.
     
    02-27-2012, 04:41 PM
  #17
Trained
^^ Or you go through a series of extremely painful shots. Rabies is a very preventable disease and should be vaccinated against. More than likely you won't even notice the wound where your horse caught it and if it is suspected the only treatment is death.

I don't think it's likely that your pony has rabies though, more than likely it is a combination of several of the other's suggestions. I would keep on eye on her behavior to make sure she is pooping/eating/drinking and not trying to roll/bite at her sides/etc. It could be pain and it could be a gradual onset of an attitude problem caused by improper handling. No way to tell except for observation and a possible vet visit if she continues to act strangely.
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    02-27-2012, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe4d    
I'd get another vet,
Horse gets west nile ? Horsey gets sick.
Horse gets rabies and nips you YOU DIE . Ummm I think I'll be getting a rabies shot.
Interestingly enough the symptoms the OP described are classic rabies although probably something different,yet no one seems concerned.

The signs & symptoms can point to a vast number of things,most much more common that rabies,hence nobody jumping on your rabies diagnosis.
     
    02-27-2012, 05:26 PM
  #19
Green Broke
The horse is displaying symptoms of something that could potentially be fatal to the owner and anyone else. Although the likely hood is less, the severity is greater especially due to lack of vaccination
How many of us ran out and got rabies treatment shots the last time a horse bit you? Or you had your hand in his mouth with a scratch on your hand ? Probably none of us. Wants rabies symptoms appear it is 100 % fatal for people and horses.
     
    02-27-2012, 06:44 PM
  #20
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Originally Posted by Joe4d    
The horse is displaying symptoms of something that could potentially be fatal to the owner and anyone else. Although the likely hood is less, the severity is greater especially due to lack of vaccination
How many of us ran out and got rabies treatment shots the last time a horse bit you? Or you had your hand in his mouth with a scratch on your hand ? Probably none of us. Wants rabies symptoms appear it is 100 % fatal for people and horses.
Seriously Joe, with all due respect. Please. The likelihood is so minimal. The OP has NOT said her horse is unvaccinated, and frankly after over 40 yrs in horses it never even occurred to me that one would not be, unless it was a neglect case or wild. THe other thing to think about is this. Ok. Say that IS something that needs to be considered at the top of the list, rather than the bottom, since there are so many other things it could be.....WHat would you propose? THe ONLY way, as far as I know, to diagnose Rabies is brain biopsy, and there is only one way to do that. And while waiting for the results, anyone exposed would have to go thru inoculation. Are you SERIOUSLY thinking that it is necessary in this case to kill the horse, perform the necessary tests and subject the owner to the shots? I have not down the search, but can be pretty certain that the actual incidence of rabies in horses is minuscule. Mainly because they are prey animals.

IMO time is better spent without the sky falling, thinking of realistic things that may be causing this. There is also NO need to unnecessarily upset this owner with a "chicken little" mentality. It serves no constructive purpose. If you would like to discuss whether or not to get rabies vaccinations-that is a separate subject, and you certainly can start a thread. THis may very well be a minor you are needlessly upsetting.
     

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