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    02-20-2012, 09:44 AM
  #11
Weanling
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Originally Posted by 1RedHorse    
Yep...a good diet.

If it aint broke don't fix it.
I just want to have him on an ulcer guard to prevent ulcers, since he does not have acess to hay or grass all day.
     
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    02-20-2012, 09:56 AM
  #12
Banned
Rather than considering supplements, much better is to consider holistic management of the horse and in particular ensuring a routine of exercise and turnout that reduces stress and assists digestion rather than hinders.

Also ensuring that the horse is allowed to roam and graze and trickle forage feed.

Ulcerguard is omeprazole and it helps to inhibit acid in the gut but rather then medicating there's ways to prevent the requirement in the first place.

Don't feed big 'meals' and then long periods in between. Horses need to trickle forage feed and digestion is best when the horse is able to roam and graze.

Ensure good intake of water to help to keep acid down.

Remember that excess acid can also be caused by such as intensive exercise when pressure from the abdomen causes the stomach to contract, pushing acid from the lower stomach up in to the more vulnerable upper stomach, thus further increasing acid exposure in these animals. So you might want to consider what you're doing with her in terms of her exercise regime and whether it's causing undue stress.
     
    02-20-2012, 10:09 AM
  #13
Weanling
I ride about 3-4 times a week for like 1-1.5hours. I am at a boarding barn so they feed 2 meals a day, one in the morning then one in the evening. I don't have the option to give him all acess hay or grass during the day, but he does have acess to clean water all the time.
     
    02-20-2012, 10:28 AM
  #14
mls
Trained
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Originally Posted by Moei    
I just want to have him on an ulcer guard to prevent ulcers, since he does not have acess to hay or grass all day.
Have you talked to your vet to see what your horse needs?
     
    02-20-2012, 10:31 AM
  #15
Weanling
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Originally Posted by mls    
Have you talked to your vet to see what your horse needs?
he is coming next week!
     
    02-20-2012, 01:16 PM
  #16
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moei    
I just want to have him on an ulcer guard to prevent ulcers, since he does not have acess to hay or grass all day.
If you're not competing or hauling...THE BEST PREVENTATIVE IS A GOOD DIET.

Over dosage of omeprazole causes calcium loss in bones.

If your horse doesnt have ulcers don't treat for it simple.
     
    02-20-2012, 01:18 PM
  #17
Showing
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Originally Posted by 1RedHorse    
If your horse doesnt have ulcers don't treat for it.
Exactly. Why would you treat a horse for a condition that it DOESN'T have?

Maybe I should be taking antibiotics for an infection I don't have. That makes about as much sense.
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    02-20-2012, 02:01 PM
  #18
Foal
True and not true

Did you get vaccinated for smallpox as a child? This was anticipatory maintenance. Maybe necessary and maybe not. Horses do not always need something but, due to stress and changing conditions such as age and level of work, they do like any other athlete. While the ulcer treatments can be a bit extreme, and I agree with you I would not use one if I didn't need it, I could see a good preventative probiotic.

I have done this for 35 years at the top levels of the sport and for the most part you can get by with very little but it is that little part that can mean allot! The high starch diets of the past cause a ton of problems with Ulcers. Out farm switched to a high fat diet 9 months ago and have eliminated the problems with a new tech probiotic that we were on farm trial with.

It all depends on the horse and the condition. I think if you have your horse on constant Omerperazole then you have a holistic issue. Feeding, genetics, environment, training, etc.

In a ulcer study I read, it said that 85-90 of the 2-3 year olds at the tracks were starting to have ulsters. If you know that do you not try to prevent it?
     
    02-20-2012, 08:06 PM
  #19
Weanling
So besides excercise and turnout what would be good to give him supplement wise to help prevent ulcers?
     
    02-20-2012, 08:19 PM
  #20
Foal
I can only go by what my experience has taught me in 35 years. You have to do some research. We are having excellent results with this new technology probiotic that my vet gave us on two horses that tend to be ulcer victims. What the probiotic does is binds toxins and therefore reduces or eliminates the lactic acid that seems to seep in and cause problems. I can only tell you what our experience is and that is after two weeks of using the paste the two horses never act agitated. One horse is a 19 year old Grand Prix horse (Reserve East Coast Champion) and the other is a imported Intermediaire II Danish Warmblood. So, both know pressure. And both are responding very well. For the price it can't hurt.

There is a ton of BS in the supplement business. Vets do not always know the difference.Probiotics are one area that is very misleading. The old standard was "yeast". They didn't tell you what kind of "Yeast" or how many CFU's were in the yeast or bacteria. None of the probiotics had bacteria that were sourced from a horse and the CFU's were deplorable. You can go to youtube and look up probiotics and there are several videos by different people talking about them. Bottom line: Big CFU's and Bacteria from the horse appears to be the new state of the art.
     

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