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    07-18-2012, 06:52 PM
  #1
Yearling
Supplements?

I think two of my horses have ulcers.. my 3 and a half year old started to crib on ANYTHING! We had a callor on him for two weeks and it seemed to help but now a few months later he started on one of our metal round pen panels.. they are out 24/7, hay, grass, some plain oats, biotin, flax, corn. Salt block. Fresh water daily. He's also moody, and will tend to buck when going into a canter also has slimmed down some..

My 14 year old QH I've owned for 5 years he's been off, doesnt seem to like treats as much but will eat them. He has lost about 100lb, in 2 months but wont put it back on, he has had a hoof absses almost 2 months ago but its pretty healed up. He eats pretty slow, and sour lately.

Could they have ulcers? If I treated for ulcers would it cause them harm if they don't??
     
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    07-19-2012, 10:29 AM
  #2
Foal
Could be ulcers...my paint gelding came back from the trainers and I noticed he seemed really sensitive on his sides and just seemed uncomfortable...I am a firm believer in smart pak..so started him on smart digest ultra....it worked wonders for him. His overall attitude got better and he just seemed to feel better, was able to discontinue use after about 6 months (and less stress I think)...they also have a supplement called smartgut. The best thing is that it wont hurt to try it..and if it doesnt work they have wonderful customer service that will go out of their way to try and help, and have refunded a supplement in the past when it failed to show results for me. Has the 14 year old had his teeth floated in the last year? That could cause eating to be painful and him to loose weight
SmartDigestŪ Ultra - Horse Digestive Supplements from SmartPak Equine

Above is the link for the smart digest...I know alot of people don't believe in supplements but I can say for a fact that pretty much anything I've used for my horses as shown results for my horses. Currently have my all mine on smart bug off, my mare also gets the smart MSM for a old hock injury, and my walker (easy keeper) recently started on smart control IR because Im concerned about his overall weight and he could be prone to founder with the fact he pretty much gets nothing and stays fat. I am starting to see a difference with him, so far he's been on the supplement for 3 weeks.
     
    07-19-2012, 10:40 AM
  #3
Foal
Miracle Clay by Dynamite is wonderful for ulcers!

https://www.dynamitemarketing.com/Or...ispSubCatID=83
     
    07-19-2012, 10:54 AM
  #4
Weanling
I'd say the colt almost deffinatly does have ulcers by the sounds of it :/

First off, remove as much starch and sugar from the horses diet as possible (no oats) and feed mainly alfalfa in their buckets. Aflafla is high in calcium so neutralises stomach acid, and it also absorbs some acid. Its good for condition too.

Pre and probiotic suplements help encourage a healthy gut flora balance, and you could go down the treatment road for ulcers. If the horses are insured, you will have to gastroscope them to see if they do have ulcers, then the insurace should pay out for the omeprozole, like $300 for 2 weeks for 500kg horse. Omeprozole is a proton pump inhibitor so the acid secretion is reduced enough for the stomach lining to repair itself.

If you don't want to pay out the $$ ( I didn't) go down the herbal road! I use liquorice root as this has a similar action to omeprozole (obviously less strong) and has really helped my mare. Aloe vera, nettle, marshmallow, pumpkin seeds... many many herbs help with healing and soothing internal ulcrations. Try a few and see what works for your horse!

The above things I suggested are only any good for stomach ulcers. If the horse has hind gut ulcers, these are harder to treat. Apparently oat fibre/flour (bran) can help- but not the oats you would feed as a grain, it has to be the outer bits only. I have also read about a drug with the name something like sucraflates (??) wich forms a kind of band aid over the ulceration to protect it and let it heal. I think this drug might work both in stomach and hind gut ulcers.

Ulcers are *expensive* and often reoccur, its an ongoing battle I'm afraid!

As for the cribbing, cribbing releases the happy hormones called endorphins, and stimulates serotonin secretion too. These chemicals mask pain and are like happy drugs to the horse. The collars are pretty ineffective in my experience and create more stress which means the ulcers will flare up more than ever. To reduce cribbing you need to remove the need (ulcers), reduce the oppertunity, remove the motivation. Eg get ulcers under control, then use collar if you think it works- I electric taped around Alli's field- introduce interesting stuff like licks and toys into the field to reduce the horse thinking 'im bored, I'l go crib'.

My biggest worry with cribbing is their teeth getting messed up to the extent they can't graze properly when they're older, and have to have liquid diets-not good :/

But with propper management, lots of time and patience, and lots of experiments with different feeds and suplements, ulcers are manageable and cribbing preventable.
     
    07-19-2012, 11:50 AM
  #5
Green Broke
Being turned out 24/7 is a great start for treating ulcers.

I bought my horse ~4 months ago, and have suspected that he has ulcers. He seems better since I got him, but is still sensitive in the flank and last week went off his "grain" for a few days (And he also cribs, but I suspect he's been doing it so long that he will never stop completely)

The first thing I did was put him on a grain-free diet. He came in a bit underweight, so I fed him rice bran along with his ration balancer until he got to a good weight. Now he just gets his ration balancer and supplements. Because there was the possibility of ulcers, I put him on U-gard and ProBios. I also give him aloe vera juice whenever I'm there at feeding time. He also gets alfalfa cubes in his Amazing Graze stall toy. I'm not planning on continuing either the U-gard or ProBios when I run out, though.

A friend at the barn who has done a lot of research for her own horse recommended the supplement Succeed. It's fairly pricey, but is supposed to alleviate hindgut ulcers as well as gastric ulcers. I've ordered a "taste test" for my horse, and if he'll eat it I will probably try it for at least a month.
     
    07-19-2012, 01:04 PM
  #6
Started
How do you feed/dose the aloe vera juice? I've been seeing it mentioned around the forum more and more lately so i'm curious.
     
    07-19-2012, 01:22 PM
  #7
Trained
Harley, only a vet can diagnose ulcers. Random strangers on the internet cannot. The symptoms you've given are rather vague and could be caused by a number of conditions.
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    07-19-2012, 01:27 PM
  #8
Trained
Harley, in all serious do your horses a favor and have them seen by a vet. Self diagnosing them when you don't know what you are doing or getting random advice offline for something that may or may not be the actual problem can end up doing more harm than good.
     
    07-19-2012, 01:57 PM
  #9
Green Broke
When was the last time the vet checked either horse's teeth?

The young one might possibly have caps that aren't coming off, thus the wood chewing.

The older one might have some rough edges that need filed.

Both of them might have some sort of tooth infection.

I'd be eliminating any and all tooth issues and after that is done, ask the vet for the "what's next"

Ulcers could be a good possibility for either horse under "what's next". :)
     
    07-19-2012, 02:02 PM
  #10
Yearling
My QH has been outside 24/7 for 6 years that I know of. My 3 year old I have no clue but has been out for a year. QH his teeth were floated last fall/winter and has been stressed out lately. He gets MSM from smartpak the fall to spring for his stifle. We go through a horse dentist but right now he's in KY/TN so when he gets back we are getting him out here.
     

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