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    04-07-2012, 04:00 PM
  #21
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I vote warm or cool wet cloth right around the eye so the gritty dried dirt doesn't blow or fall in it. Maybe once the eye area is clean, hold a clean damp cloth over the eye while rubbing the other dried mud off the rest of her face.
Glad to hear she is doing some better!
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    04-07-2012, 05:47 PM
  #22
Weanling
I'm happy to hear that Lacey is doing better. Sounds like she's being a very good patient. She's a lucky girl to have an owner that takes such good care of her.
     
    04-08-2012, 12:47 AM
  #23
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Thanks Lockwood, great idea. That's what I did and while she wasn't super keen on me touching the eye, she put up with it.

Me too HAMP! Overall she's being really great.

She's being a brat about her eye medication when she's "high" though. She hasn't been worked since Tuesday (I work her Tuesday/Thursday/Friday/Saturday/Sunday and I discovered the swollen eye issue on Thursday) and she's such an energetic mare, so when she's out of pain, she's decided that resisting eye medicine is pretty cool. >.< I can't wait until she's rideable again, she sure needs a good run!

I think I might start putting her eye medicine in when she's in pain, though it's a jerk move, it'll be much easier to effectively medicate her if she's not doing everything possible to resist my efforts.
I think I'll just give her medicine to her once in the early morning, then feed+bute+eye medicine mid-afternoon, and check on her right before the sun goes down. I had been doing eye medicine in the early morning and dusk, with feeding mid-afternoon but that was no good today. It was nearly impossible to get her medicine in there.
It was actually pretty funny, she was very respectful about the whole thing, standing totally still where I placed her, etc, but she just wanted to have nothing to do with the actual eye medication. She was even fine with me pulling her bottom lid down, but as soon as the medicine hit, she was throwing her head like a crazy horse.
I eventually got some in there but I question the logistics of doing this longterm.
The morning medicine she was fine for, weirdo!

She just so goofy on bute. I love it. She even cantered up from the lower field today, after "emptying the tanks" by taking the longest pee ever. What a horse.


And she's being super great about the flymask. I think she knows it's making her eyes feel better. Usually she's very "Do NOT flymask me in the spring! I see no flies so I am going to making putting my mask on as hard as possible. Though I am 14.1hh, I can make my head be 17.1hh, let's see how you like that!" but all today she's been lowering her head into the flymask for me and raising it just enough for me to easily velcro it.
She's very aware of what makes things easy and hard for humans, she's such a smartie!

Anyway, go Lacey!
     
    04-08-2012, 11:57 AM
  #24
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Not that I would ever advocate someone to do this *angelic look on face* because.... well, it's just not clean.... but when I have had animals to who I could not get medicine in an eye at all I figured a little dirt was better than no meds at all.

Getting an animal to stand there while you have it's lower lid stretched out like a pouch to place the prescribed "ribbon" of ointment into it is well... challenging even on a good horse (I mean what if the animal twitches and you jab the tube point into the eye?? ) let alone on one who is resisting.

Anyway what I have tried in the past (with a freshly washed hand) was to put the dab of ointment on the tip of my finger and real slick like deposit said ointment into the pouch lickity split before the animal knew what was happening. I then would hold the eye shut and very (very) gently massage the ointment around the eye/into the conjuctiva area.

Since I have worn contacts I used the same fingertip dab motion that I use when inserting my contacts, just aiming for the pouch instead of the eyeball.
     
    04-08-2012, 05:57 PM
  #25
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Lockwood    
Not that I would ever advocate someone to do this *angelic look on face* because.... well, it's just not clean.... but when I have had animals to who I could not get medicine in an eye at all I figured a little dirt was better than no meds at all.

Getting an animal to stand there while you have it's lower lid stretched out like a pouch to place the prescribed "ribbon" of ointment into it is well... challenging even on a good horse (I mean what if the animal twitches and you jab the tube point into the eye?? ) let alone on one who is resisting.

Anyway what I have tried in the past (with a freshly washed hand) was to put the dab of ointment on the tip of my finger and real slick like deposit said ointment into the pouch lickity split before the animal knew what was happening. I then would hold the eye shut and very (very) gently massage the ointment around the eye/into the conjuctiva area.

Since I have worn contacts I used the same fingertip dab motion that I use when inserting my contacts, just aiming for the pouch instead of the eyeball.
What worked well for me was twitching my horse. He was a sweetheart about it, but REALLY hated the medicine getting in his eye. He got to where he knew he was being twitched and would stand still for that and then he wouldn't move a muscle when I was putting the medicine in.
     
    04-09-2012, 01:15 AM
  #26
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Thanks Lockwood, you are truly a wealth of information!!
I tried your method and it worked super well in the morning. I wasn't able to use it in the afternoon because I forgot to do her eye ointment before I groomed her and put tea tree oil on her mud fever... I figured that she'd probably never let me touch her face again if I got tea tree oil in her eye...
Thankfully, with a little wrangling I was finally able to get the ointment in with the little tube. It was just harder.

Thanks Outta, unfortunately I don't have a twitch and I've never used one, otherwise I might give it a try. Anything to make this less stressful!



So tomorrow I'm supposed to call the vet and update.
I'm really not sure what's pertinent and what's not. I mean, though her eye looks much better, Lacey is still acting pretty off. She's very much a creature of habit and has very specific places she stands all day - usually stands on the side of the field opposite of the shed (she gets fed/groomed/etc in the shed), etc, but she's basically been staying within 40ft of the shed. I would chalk it up to the grass being better there but the grass is growing like crazy everywhere else in the field and she's eaten it all pretty much down inside her "shed radius". Now she basically is spending her time standing and sleeping in one place because there's nothing more for her to eat where she is.
She's also been much more herd-y with the llamas and she's been staying within about 15ft of them, unless I'm there, then she comes and hangs out with me. Usually the llamas will be on one side of the field and she'll be on the other side.

Today, when I was grooming her, I also noticed some strangeness from her. She's been very very cautious about picking up her feet when usually it's super easy to get them up, she's been fine once I pick them up just getting them up has been a major undertaking. She was also a lot more concerned with where I was while I was grooming her and she's been standing with her right side (the issue eye side) very close to the wall whenever she's in the shed. Usually she's very much in the middle of the shed and has no issue moving over when I ask. Today and yesterday, moving over was a huge production for her.

Basically, though her eye is looking 90% better, she's still seeming "off". I'm not sure how much is still pain, even though her eye is nearly normal, and how much is something else.
She's also eating completely fine. But she is basically a pig and will eat anything and everything she can, no matter what.
I don't want to concern the vet but I also don't want to paint a picture of Lacey being totally 100% when she's obviously not.

Any advice? :)

Here are today's pictures, the eye is still a smidge swollen but it's very very mild.

"What's wrong with me, mom? Please drug me!"



Side view:




Kind of a comparison shot, still a little tiny bit swollen...

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    04-09-2012, 09:31 AM
  #27
Weanling
Cute picture! Glad it's looking better, hope the vet can help you figure out what's wrong. As for telling the vet, maybe just say what you said in that post? That even though physically she's looking better she's still acting 'off'.

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Originally Posted by Wallaby    
Thanks Outta, unfortunately I don't have a twitch and I've never used one, otherwise I might give it a try. Anything to make this less stressful!
I was taught how to use a twitch a looooong time ago, and had one put in my emergency kit. Never thought I would have to use it... but after almost a week of putting medicine in my horses eye he would just lift it too high for me to reach and with the twitch I was able to KNOW I got the medicine in 100% every time. But I was also pretty slow with putting the medicine in with my finger haha.
     
    04-09-2012, 09:54 AM
  #28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wallaby    
Thanks Lockwood, you are truly a wealth of information!!
I tried your method and it worked super well in the morning. I wasn't able to use it in the afternoon because I forgot to do her eye ointment before I groomed her and put tea tree oil on her mud fever... I figured that she'd probably never let me touch her face again if I got tea tree oil in her eye...
Thankfully, with a little wrangling I was finally able to get the ointment in with the little tube. It was just harder.

Thanks Outta, unfortunately I don't have a twitch and I've never used one, otherwise I might give it a try. Anything to make this less stressful!



So tomorrow I'm supposed to call the vet and update.
I'm really not sure what's pertinent and what's not. I mean, though her eye looks much better, Lacey is still acting pretty off. She's very much a creature of habit and has very specific places she stands all day - usually stands on the side of the field opposite of the shed (she gets fed/groomed/etc in the shed), etc, but she's basically been staying within 40ft of the shed. I would chalk it up to the grass being better there but the grass is growing like crazy everywhere else in the field and she's eaten it all pretty much down inside her "shed radius". Now she basically is spending her time standing and sleeping in one place because there's nothing more for her to eat where she is.
She's also been much more herd-y with the llamas and she's been staying within about 15ft of them, unless I'm there, then she comes and hangs out with me. Usually the llamas will be on one side of the field and she'll be on the other side.

Today, when I was grooming her, I also noticed some strangeness from her. She's been very very cautious about picking up her feet when usually it's super easy to get them up, she's been fine once I pick them up just getting them up has been a major undertaking. She was also a lot more concerned with where I was while I was grooming her and she's been standing with her right side (the issue eye side) very close to the wall whenever she's in the shed. Usually she's very much in the middle of the shed and has no issue moving over when I ask. Today and yesterday, moving over was a huge production for her.

Basically, though her eye is looking 90% better, she's still seeming "off". I'm not sure how much is still pain, even though her eye is nearly normal, and how much is something else.
She's also eating completely fine. But she is basically a pig and will eat anything and everything she can, no matter what.
I don't want to concern the vet but I also don't want to paint a picture of Lacey being totally 100% when she's obviously not.

Any advice? :)

Awww, just happy to help .

I second what OTB said... tell your vet everything you just told us. Having had a very serious eye injury myself, no info is too small to tell the doctor. Although her eye looks much better on the outside, there is probably still a great deal of healing needed deep inside the eye. Eye injuries are very painful and take a lot longer to heal than other injuries.
My injury took months to heal and years later still affects my vision in different light situations.

Her "off" behavior sounds very much like a horse who is still experiencing sight issues and a.) doesn't feel as comfortable as she used to, or b.) is still trying to navigate everything with the changes her vision has gone through because of the injury.
It could be that she might be experiencing horsie vertigo. Kinda like if you look throught a drinking glass and try to walk. You won't want to go very far like that. If the eye still has some inner swelling, it could be distorting things for her.
Anyway, just my $.02 FWIW.

Tea tree oil... hmm, I will have to try that if my horse picks up mud fever. Although with the winter we've had here I feel like I'm very much still living there.
(Go Ducks!! )
     
    04-09-2012, 11:48 AM
  #29
Showing
I've got two horses with uveitis; my senior Arthur and my gray mare. They both function like they still have two good eyes, even though Arthur is completely blind in the one. Both have fly masks on during the day for three seasons of the year. Arthur's started out as just a little foggyness coming back ever few months, which we treated routinely, but now it's 24/7 and he's totally blind in it. If you keep up with the treatment, there's a good chance it won't progress further, but it's one of those things that you can't cure, just treat.

Good luck!
     

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