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post #1 of 36 Old 05-04-2010, 07:56 PM Thread Starter
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Unhappy These feet are going to do me in...

My horse was just shoed two weeks ago. His feet looked great, I love my farrier, and everything was going super duper swell.

Now my big 16 hand quarter horse gelding (Pj) has little feet... very little feet... and to boot he has very little feet with very weak and thin hoof walls... BUT my farrier works with many many many horses like Pj and he said he really doesn't have an issues with them, he will stay sound as long as I keep shoeing him the right way (or trimming, becuase I talked of pulling his shoes).

Today, Pj pulled his right shoe off.
Thank the heavens he is fine, the shoe just came off somewhere in the mudd and there was no real damage done to his foot... the left shoe is still on but also pulling away already!

I know my farrier did an excellent job. I think this is part poor genetics and diet and part mudd... where he is it's VERY muddy.

Now I do already have him started a supplement, but I know they take time to work.

If I re-shoe the hoof I'm afraid he will pull the shoe off again in the mudd and next time it might cuase more damage...

He has never been without shoes and is VERY tender without his one shoe on so I can't ride him until I work somthing out... and where I ride is all trails and very rocky.. I <3 Pennsylvania.

So to add to this; there is no arena, no flat area to work in, and his pasture is muddy and rocky... he looks miserable.

If I put the shoe back on, and fit his other shoe he could really do more damage if he pulls them off again in the mudd, but I can't ride him without shoes!

My only other option is moving him.
There is a barn not far from here that has an Indoor, Outdoor, and Roundpen, all with soft fluffy sand footing (but no trails... ugh!)...
So Pj could go bare foot (or have shoes). If he goes barefoot he can be turned out in the sand until he slowly works his feet up to a happy condition and gets used to being barefoot.
But board will be three times more... and I won't be able to trail ride him, and we both REALLY like trail riding.

What would you do?

Any advice?

I just want to do whats best for my dude, I really love him and don't want to see him be lame, uncomfortable, or hurt.
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post #2 of 36 Old 05-04-2010, 07:58 PM
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You might look into getting some hoof boots. It isn't so unusual for some horses to lose a shoe in the mud, even if they are on super duper good.

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You might look into getting some hoof boots. It isn't so unusual for some horses to lose a shoe in the mud, even if they are on super duper good.
I think the big issue is the lack of hoof wall to support the nails and the shoe... he farrier mentioned he didnt have much of a hoof wall but you think he would have warned me.

I had bell boots on him and they rubbed all his hair above the cornet band off and of course he became tender, I'm afraid even good fiting boots might do the same.

He is a BIG whimp . I know without shoes he will eventually adjust but I can see him totally tip toeing and crying about it until he does, and I just wanted to spend my time with him this summer riding him... not fooling with his feet.

Thank you so much for the advice, and I will look into boots...

You mentioned how uncommon it is to loose a shoe in the mud, so perhaps I should also reevaluate my farrier choice.... but I thought he did a good job, everyone else's shoes are still on.
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It is a common misconception that mud sucks a horses shoe off. What really happens is the mud causes the horse to overreach with the hind and "forge" on the front shoe loosening or pulling it off. While it is muddy you may want to talk to your farrier about adjusting the placing of the front shoes or changing the breakover on the hind feet.

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It is a common misconception that mud sucks a horses shoe off. What really happens is the mud causes the horse to overreach with the hind and "forge" on the front shoe loosening or pulling it off. While it is muddy you may want to talk to your farrier about adjusting the placing of the front shoes or changing the breakover on the hind feet.
Yeah, thanks, I thought the mud sucked it off.

Its very muddy, like up above his pasterns. There is now way to keep him out of it.

I have to wait till tomorrow to call my farrier. When he comes back out I will ask him the above advice.

I'm terrifed the next time he looses a shoe it will take a chunk of hoof off with it... does that happen often? He did look a little hoof, but not horrible.

His feet chip so easy though so the chip could ahve happened afterwards, even with having the 'roll' he just has crappy brittle feet. Hence the supplement. Someone told me it takes 30 or so days until supplements really improve anything.
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Do you use bell boots on his fronts to keep him from stepping on them? If it is a hoof wall thing, and he can't hold nails, the Cavallo boots work really well. We've used them on trails with no problems.

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This sounds almost like the QH I used to have only on top of your problems, she could NOT be shod because in the process she would ALWAYS abcess in all her feet. I tried several different farriers thinking it was a farrier issue at first, but no it was the horse. Be careful to fix the problem as much as possible NOW with supplements and correct trimming or it could worsen like my case.

I would also consider hoof boots. That is what I used on my QH and they worked really great for her! She was also in a soft floor stall at night when I took the boots off. There are also some great things on the market like "tuff stuff" and "farriers secret" that also help while you are waiting for those supplements to take affect.
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I'm terrifed the next time he looses a shoe it will take a chunk of hoof off with it... does that happen often? He did look a little hoof, but not horrible.

His feet chip so easy though so the chip could ahve happened afterwards, even with having the 'roll' he just has crappy brittle feet. Hence the supplement. Someone told me it takes 30 or so days until supplements really improve anything.
It will take alot longer than 30 days to make a difference. All the hoof that is already grown will stay the same for the most part. A horses hoof grows about 3/8 of an inch per month.

If your shoer is even half competent then he files his clinches after he is done so that if something pulls on the shoe it will pull it right off and not destroy the hoof.

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Do you use bell boots on his fronts to keep him from stepping on them?
Not really, I used him becuase he was being fitted as a halter horse... but when I got him I wanted him OUT OUT OUT.... but he was so clumbsy and silly, and he ran and bucked around a ton.. so I thought using them was better safe then sorry.. I realy don't think he was ever turned out before.
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I would also consider hoof boots. That is what I used on my QH and they worked really great for her! She was also in a soft floor stall at night when I took the boots off. There are also some great things on the market like "tuff stuff" and "farriers secret" that also help while you are waiting for those supplements to take affect.
Thanks.
This advice is terrific. I'm loving the positive bootie advice.
And thanks for the product advice, I use both of those already! lol. I just got him not long ago so everything is still on trail... I hope it all works. I'm trying everything I can to help him along .
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