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    03-30-2009, 01:43 PM
  #31
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by CJ82Sky    
Thanks for the updates on corn! So it produces more energy and can make a horse "hot" in the figurative sense, but not the literal one...never knew that!
Yup, learned that one myself a few years back. I feed extra hay or hay pellets during cold weather. It really does seem to work better, and makes the horses' happier, as they have "more" to eat and keep them busy.
     
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    03-30-2009, 01:50 PM
  #32
Foal
Too skinny?

My TB (almost 14 years old; 16.2 hands) has lost weight this winter. Down to about 1100 pounds. He's getting per day: 6 quarts Neutrena 12%, 2 qts sweet feed, 5 qts beet pulp (soaked), and a bale of hay. I'm working him 5x week and he's happy/willing to work. But he's just skinny.

I wonder if anyone has tried Cool Calories 100. This was recommended by my trainer who is very worried about his weight.
     
    03-30-2009, 02:04 PM
  #33
Started
Dry COB is the ORGINAL Sweet Feed LOL

NSC is around 60% on it you don't get much sweeter then that LOL
     
    03-31-2009, 07:37 PM
  #34
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by MollyK    
My TB (almost 14 years old; 16.2 hands) has lost weight this winter. Down to about 1100 pounds. He's getting per day: 6 quarts Neutrena 12%, 2 qts sweet feed, 5 qts beet pulp (soaked), and a bale of hay. I'm working him 5x week and he's happy/willing to work. But he's just skinny.

I wonder if anyone has tried Cool Calories 100. This was recommended by my trainer who is very worried about his weight.
Try putting him on an all-hay diet like I recommended earlier. All of that sugar and starch is likely CAUSING him to lose MORE weight. You need quality low sugar calories to put weight on. Think of a body builder trying to bulk up with quality muscle. He eats high protein diets along with high carbs. And those carbs are quality carbs, from veggies, pastas, rice, etc. NOT carbs from candy or cokes.

Same thing with horses! A horse needs high fiber, low sugar food, it's what they were designed to eat. Add all that sugar and bad carbs from corn and such, and you mess up their metabolism.
     
    03-31-2009, 11:45 PM
  #35
Started
He does look skinny to me, Maybe 75 pounds under where I'd like to see the horses here.
     
    04-01-2009, 09:46 PM
  #36
Foal
I took him to see the equine dentist, and apparently he had his teeth WAAAAY overfloated and now his teeth are almost stubs. They are not strong enough to eat oats or triple Crown Complete, so he is now getting 8 qts of Triple Crown Senior and unlimited hay. He is also going on rice bran as soon as I can get out to the feed store. It will take almost a year for his poor teeth to grow back in, so until then, he's on the senior feed.
     
    04-04-2009, 12:28 AM
  #37
Trained
I would definitely look into beet pulp, and an overall balanced diet. TB's are usually sleeker horses to begin with. It looks like he needs more muscle in the hindquarters, but you need fat to make muscle too. But some horses are just hard keepes, which is why I suggest beet pulp because it's pretty cheap as opposed to weight and muscle supplements that probably run higher. Not that I'm against them, I really have no idea, maybe it is worth it. He isn't "skinny" though, his coat looks nice and shinny. And I know this is kind of a DUH thing to say, but what about worms? Horses should be wormed every three months, and it's best to not use the same kind every time. When horses have worms, they typically eat a LOT to make up for all the nutrition the worms steal.
     
    04-04-2009, 12:53 AM
  #38
Foal
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Originally Posted by riccil0ve    
I would definitely look into beet pulp, and an overall balanced diet. TB's are usually sleeker horses to begin with. It looks like he needs more muscle in the hindquarters, but you need fat to make muscle too. But some horses are just hard keepes, which is why I suggest beet pulp because it's pretty cheap as opposed to weight and muscle supplements that probably run higher. Not that I'm against them, I really have no idea, maybe it is worth it. He isn't "skinny" though, his coat looks nice and shinny. And I know this is kind of a DUH thing to say, but what about worms? Horses should be wormed every three months, and it's best to not use the same kind every time. When horses have worms, they typically eat a LOT to make up for all the nutrition the worms steal.
I've never tried beet pulp, but I know that I can get it for cheap. I'll ask my vet about it. And yes, he is on a strict worming schedule with alternating ivermectin and strongid, depending on the month.
     
    04-04-2009, 11:31 AM
  #39
Green Broke
Strongid is NOT effective. The Oxibendazoles and Fenbendazole dewormers show very high resistance in adult horses. Not all vets are up on current dewormer research .

I rotate using Pyrantel Promate, Ivermextin, and Moxidectin, including one deworming a year using a product that contains Praziquantel (Equimax or Quest Plus) to take care of tape worms. I'm in Arkansas, our weather and parasites are similar to Georgia. This is my deworming schedule and it has worked very well. I use rendaivu.com (a FREE web site) to keep up with scheduling and what-not.

Jan 1: Ivermectin + Praziquantel
Mar 1: Pyrantel, double dose (Exodus Multi Dose or TapeCare+)
Apr 1: Moxidectin
July 1: Ivermectin
Sept 1: Pyrantel, double dose (Exodus Multi Dose or TapeCare+)
Oct 1: Moxidectin

The dates are based on reemergence cycles of the worms. You do not need to deworm more frequently than recommended, unless your horse is very susceptible to parasites.
     
    04-04-2009, 11:37 AM
  #40
Foal
too skinny?

And, this may be an obvious point, but sometimes our skinny TBs are skinny because they're just not eating what we THINK they are eating. As a 20-year horse owner, I'm getting a hard lesson on the feeding practices at some barns. I LOVE my horse's current barn. But remember how I posted upthread about my skinny OTTB getting THIS much neutrena and THAT much hay? Well, a quick peek into the grain room yesterday and there is not a single bag of neutrena in sight. Just some no-brand grain and beet pulp. Grrr.

I love this barn and the barn manager. It's such a tough position, asking for proof that someone who seems to care about horses is not starving your horse.

Sigh. I hate this part of horse ownership. (And I'm so glad to be able to send this far out into the ether, 'cause the other part of horse ownership I hate is barn gossip.)
     

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