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    04-16-2013, 04:42 PM
  #11
Weanling
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Originally Posted by franknbeans    
Personally, I would be more concerned with vaccines than EIA. I have used several trainers, only ONE asked me about a coggins. The 2 who were big time trainers-never asked. They would only care if I were going to show. Many people think it is a bit silly to require one every year.

I would agree that the trainers reputation would hold more water with me, besides that, when does your mosquito season start? Not for a while, I wouldn't think.....and that is the only time it can be transmitted.
Again, I havent crossed this guy off the list yet and I DO see how requiring tests is sort of silly... but, you say they would only care if you were going to show? Because shows require them? It sort of makes sense to me that if ANYONE/any event requires them then EVERYONE should, right? That, or no one should.

They wouldn't be taking him until June, and keeping him through June and July, so we should be well into mosquito season by then.

I just know that a bunch of rodeo horses contracted EIA in Sask last year or something. So, I'm a bit nervous.

... but, again, I know the negative papers are no guarantee anyway.

SaddleOnline - yes, it does. I'm from the Yukon right beside Alaska and I've had friends who have had to put down their entire herds.
     
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    04-16-2013, 04:45 PM
  #12
Weanling
Thanks everyone for the input, I'll have to put some thought into this. To hear that this guy doesn't require tests makes me realize that maybe I'll even have a hard time finding a place to board that requires Coggins. Too bad since I dropped $160 on testing both my horses this spring bahahaha.
     
    04-16-2013, 04:47 PM
  #13
Weanling
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Originally Posted by xxdanioo    
I haven't heard of any shows, barns or trainers asking for coggins. I have not had it done on my guy at all...
Holy crap, seriously?? It's been a requirement up here for everything for at LEAST 10 years I think. It's even hard to sell a horse who doesnt have current negative papers.

That's sort of shocking to be honest to hear that shows, etc don't require it...

How often do you hear about horses coming down with it?

I wonder if I should just not bother testing Atlas. My dad was going to haul him to the vet for me on Friday which is a HUGE big deal cause the horse has never been in a trailer before... plus, it's $80 to do it here. And if no one gives a shhh...poop about it down there anyway, why bother?
     
    04-16-2013, 05:00 PM
  #14
Trained
Pretty much all shows around here, MD, VA, NY, require rabies and coggins.
     
    04-16-2013, 05:03 PM
  #15
Weanling
Well.... maybe I'll save the $80 on my gelding. I KNOW he is negative because he's been with the same horses for 2 years and others in that herd have tested negative.

My mare is already done and she's the only one who might be going to a show or clinic
     
    04-16-2013, 05:14 PM
  #16
Yearling
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Originally Posted by SnowCowgirl    
Holy crap, seriously?? It's been a requirement up here for everything for at LEAST 10 years I think. It's even hard to sell a horse who doesnt have current negative papers.

That's sort of shocking to be honest to hear that shows, etc don't require it...

How often do you hear about horses coming down with it?

I wonder if I should just not bother testing Atlas. My dad was going to haul him to the vet for me on Friday which is a HUGE big deal cause the horse has never been in a trailer before... plus, it's $80 to do it here. And if no one gives a shhh...poop about it down there anyway, why bother?
I have not heard of any horses coming down with it, but it's not really publically advertised very well lol. I'm sure I could google it and maybe find something?

Ya, the breed shows, SK Horse Fed shows, clinics, barns, trainers... I haven't found anywhere asking for coggins. Barns want UTD worming and vaccines. Most barns have quarantine when new horses come in.

I'm in Regina, btw, if that makes any difference haha.
     
    04-16-2013, 05:27 PM
  #17
Weanling
So.... you SK people, can someone answer this for me? (I called two vet clinics in Meadow Lake and neither could tell me what vaccines were recommended for horses...)

I'm doing the 5 way on both horses. I've never vaccinated before and actually don't know anyone who does up here. But this shot includes Eastern + Western Encephalomyoalitis (hahahahaha, whatever), Influenza, Tetanus and Rhino. Are there any others I REALLY should do? I see there was only one confirmed West Nile case in an equine in 2010, but should I do that anyway? (It's $50 though!) What about strangles? Rabies?
     
    04-16-2013, 05:29 PM
  #18
Green Broke
We are required to have a neg. Coggins paper in order to haul them down the road ,but not to keep them on site. I'm not sure about the stables asking for it, but seems you would have to have it in order to get the horse to the stable.

It is hard to sell them down here without a coggins test, also. I'm sure it is everywhere, but CL is loaded with cheap to free horses and some even include tack. Very few of these ads state a coggins report. They stay on there for a long time.
     
    04-16-2013, 06:46 PM
  #19
Weanling
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Originally Posted by SnowCowgirl    
so.... you SK people, can someone answer this for me? (I called two vet clinics in Meadow Lake and neither could tell me what vaccines were recommended for horses...)

I'm doing the 5 way on both horses. I've never vaccinated before and actually don't know anyone who does up here. But this shot includes Eastern + Western Encephalomyoalitis (hahahahaha, whatever), Influenza, Tetanus and Rhino. Are there any others I REALLY should do? I see there was only one confirmed West Nile case in an equine in 2010, but should I do that anyway? (It's $50 though!) What about strangles? Rabies?
I'm not an "SK person", but I do 3-ways (Tetanus, EEE, WEE) + West Nile + nasal Strangles if I board him somewhere else for the winter. I will also vaccinate for Rabies this year.

I don't do Influenza, cause very similar to the human vaccine, the strains change from year to year, so the protection is not very good. My horse also lives in a pretty stable environment without a lot of horse movement, so not a lot of contact with strange horses.

I don't do Rhino (EHV-1), because - like all Herpesvirus vaccines - it's not efficient. The Rhino vaccine can protect against the clinical signs of Rhinopneumonitis, but it neither prevents infection nor shedding, nor spread of the virus. If I had a broodmare I might consider Pneumabort (EHV-1, supposed to protect from clinical signs of Rhino and abortions). The clinical signs of Rhino are usually not that bad, the really bad clinical manifestation of EHV-1 is the neurological form, against which there is no vaccine.

Technically, there is a risk of WEE in northern Alberta, since it has been found there historically and the mosquito species that transmits it still occurs there. But I think the last case was in the 80s, so I'm not too worried. EEE only occurs in eastern Canada and the US and is transmitted by a different mosquito species. The vaccines have good protection though.

I do West Nile, cause it's very much dependent on the climate and the abundance of the mosquitoes whether it will be a big West Nile season or not. So it's hard to know beforehand how the season will go (e.g. There might only have been one case in 2010, but 2007 was a big WNV year). The vaccine has good protection. Most of the WNV cases in AB were in the South though, and I don't think there have been any north of Edmonton, so I'm not sure how worried you should be.

I don't know very much about bacteria, but as far as I'm aware the intramuscular strangles vaccine is practically useless. The intranasal one has a bit better protection, but still not 100%. The one time I had it done (the one place I was boarding at for the winter requested it) I waited till he needed his teeth done, and when he was sedated it wasn't a big fight to squirt the vaccine into the nose.
     
    04-16-2013, 06:59 PM
  #20
Weanling
Thank you! That was super helpful.

I was going to do the 5 way because it seemed simple and so they ordered some in for me... unfortunately, the vets here generally need to know in advance to order vaccines and I've left it too long now because I move south on Monday. So I can't ask to order other vaccines. My other option would be to pick up the shots when I'm in Alberta. Do you know if there is anywhere online in Canada that you can buy vaccines?

I'm actually planning on breeding the mare so will be doing the Pneumabort anyway. That makes sense about the clinical Rhino signs as well as the different strains of Influenza so thank you for explaining that. I do need to talk to a vet about the Pneumabort as well as doing a pre-breeding exam on my mare so maybe I'll wait til I'm down in AB and then talk to a vet about all of this...

I guess the nasal vaccine is really difficult to give without sedation then?
     

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