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    04-16-2013, 06:04 PM
Saskatchewan person here, vaccinations, for dogs and horses done after discussion with the vet, depending on local risk. Last year 3 way for the home bodies and 5 ways for the two who were likely to be out competing.

Never been asked for a Coggins certificate
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    04-16-2013, 06:09 PM
I did a 3way and a 4way booster (1 month later, as it was his first time being vaccinated) vaccine last year- might do EEE, WEE, WNV and flu this year. Haven't decided entirely. Was also thinking about Rhino, since we may be showing this summer. I will be talking to the vet though, and my BO.

I'm on the fence with strangles, since it is a live virus, it can cause illness too, I've heard.
    04-16-2013, 06:32 PM
Originally Posted by Golden Horse    
Saskatchewan person here, vaccinations, for dogs and horses done after discussion with the vet, depending on local risk. Last year 3 way for the home bodies and 5 ways for the two who were likely to be out competing.

Never been asked for a Coggins certificate
5 way including WEE, EEE, Tetanus, Influenza, and Rhino?

Still in total shock about the coggins thing but I cancelled my vet appointment for Atlas. At least I have River done if I do come across a show or clinic that requires me to have it, but no point in testing the boy I guess. *shrugs*
    04-17-2013, 07:11 AM
Green Broke
I won't be getting either strangled vacc for my horses, I've seen horses who had the vacc get it and the ones that didn't went without it.

I'm in eastern PA (not near, but I got the 5-way and a coggins pulled. The only reason I need a coggins is for fair, and it was only $ I believe my total for 5-way, coggins, and half the farm call (split it) was $142.
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    04-17-2013, 07:44 AM
Green Broke
I wouldnt trust the strangles vaccine, when it came to the UK everyone started vaccinating and whole yards went down with strangles.
There was one yard where 14 horses who had been vaccinated got strangles and only 1 who wasnt vaccinated (or about 25) got it.

There were huge lawsutes and the product was withdrawn from the market. I believe it has since been brought out again but hardly anyone trusts it so it is not in widespread use.
    04-17-2013, 10:52 AM
In Alberta 10 years ago you couldn't go *anywhere* without a negative Coggins test. Now it is extremely rare to need one, I travel to different barns and show and have never needed to provide one. I guess the vets have decided it's no longer a major threat in Alberta and it's not something they recommend anymore.

As far as vaccines go, I do the 5 way with strangles and west nile for my riding horses. The one who never leaves the farm just gets a 3 way.
    04-17-2013, 10:52 AM
I use the IN Strangles vacc and have never had an issue with it. It's kind of a pain to administer, they aren't thrilled with getting stuff sprayed up their noses, but I've never had an issue with it causing disease. I did have site reaction problems with the injectable, so I had quit using that one.
    04-17-2013, 11:16 AM
Well, still super surprised about the coggins test just because it's been a way of horse showing life up here my whole life haha, but oh well!

I'm think I'm going to do the 5 way because I can pick it up from my vet on Monday... then I'm going to consider getting the West Nile and Strangles once I get down south. Like I said, I need to take River in for a breeding soundness exam anyway so I'll speak to a vet then.
    04-17-2013, 05:24 PM
Green Broke
What is reccomened in Alberta is:

2 way: Influenza and Rhino (Upper Respiratory
4 way: Tetanus, Sleeping Sickness (Eastern and Western), West Nile
Also an Intra Nasal of Strangles (The IM of Strangles is not very efficient and can cause severe side effects but the Intra Nasal is a modified live vaccine and is very safe and effective)

It is also not that hard to give to a horse, as long as you are fast puting it in and squirt it quickly they don't bother too much. Just stand by the side of their head and sneak it up there.

Rabies isn't needed.

Rhinopneumonitis - Equine Herpes Virus Type 4 (Upper Respiratory) vaccine is also very effecient and would be good to vaccinate against.

EHV Type 1 is the one that causes abortions in pregnant mares.

There is no vaccine against the CNS form of EHV

I have only been in AB for 8 months as a student at Olds College, so I don't really know of any good trainers here.
    04-17-2013, 05:49 PM
I don't go anywhere that doesn't require Coggins.

It's fallen out of fashion in recent years, however there is an outbreak of EIA in northern BC/AB/SK and it's being spread around by the bands of wild horses, and of course, domesticated horses which are floating around positive.

At winter shows, it's not required because it can't be spread. But for summer shows, I don't go to shows which don't require a coggins. Any horse that is traveling around should have one pulled at least once a year. And yes, it is an effective form of protection. More effective than sticking your head in the sand at least. Once a year testing is better than no testing at all, and we do need to start promoting testing again and start euthing the carriers, INCLUDING all the wild horses as they are the main culprits in the outbreak.
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