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post #21 of 136 Old 02-17-2012, 11:48 AM
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I was also wondering if they had tested the grain sample, as a few horses at the barn eat that feed.

I am so terribly sorry, OP. I can't imagine how devastating it would be to lose two horses so quickly. You are in my thoughts.
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post #22 of 136 Old 02-17-2012, 12:09 PM
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Oh Botulism kills. Usually relatively quickly.
I know that it kills. But the reason why it does is because of paralysis. If the paralysis reaches the diaphragm, you get respiratory failure. Can't live if you can't breath.

Therefore it's not necessarily the botulism that is killing whatever, it's the whatever not being able to breathe caused by the paralysis that's caused by the botulism. What a nasty cycle!

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I unfortunately know exactly how you feel, a few years back I lost two on the same day, they were both fine at 4pm, by 5 one was dead, and we got up the next morning to find another gone. The first mare was older and as she had gone straight down, no sign of a struggle, hay in her mouth, we thought she had suffered a massive heart attack, when the filly was found dead it was obvious something was far wrong.

It turned out to be poisoning from a sample bag of chicken layer pellets that had been in the barn, we still don't know how it got into the paddock, but less than a pound killed two horses.

The diagnoses came very quickly from the necropsy on the filly, that's when we were told that it was either Monensin or Narasin that killed her. At first they thought it was cattle feed, but at the time we were feeding all home grown feeds, so we knew it wasn't that, but then we searched and searched the paddock, before finding this little plastic bag, that had caused so much grief.

In the course of my research into this stuff I found that horses have died from eating feed from mills where they have switched from making cattle feed straight to horse feed, without cleaning down the plant between batches.

I don't know if the symptoms fit what you have there, in any case I hope you find answers soon
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That is so sad Golden Horse.

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post #25 of 136 Old 02-17-2012, 01:10 PM
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I unfortunately know exactly how you feel, a few years back I lost two on the same day, they were both fine at 4pm, by 5 one was dead, and we got up the next morning to find another gone. The first mare was older and as she had gone straight down, no sign of a struggle, hay in her mouth, we thought she had suffered a massive heart attack, when the filly was found dead it was obvious something was far wrong.

It turned out to be poisoning from a sample bag of chicken layer pellets that had been in the barn, we still don't know how it got into the paddock, but less than a pound killed two horses.

The diagnoses came very quickly from the necropsy on the filly, that's when we were told that it was either Monensin or Narasin that killed her. At first they thought it was cattle feed, but at the time we were feeding all home grown feeds, so we knew it wasn't that, but then we searched and searched the paddock, before finding this little plastic bag, that had caused so much grief.

In the course of my research into this stuff I found that horses have died from eating feed from mills where they have switched from making cattle feed straight to horse feed, without cleaning down the plant between batches.

I don't know if the symptoms fit what you have there, in any case I hope you find answers soon

This sounds plausible. Maybe that bag of feed you had just started feeding them was tainted. Was it tested? (sorry , I did not read all posts)
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Such a traggic loss. There is no good way to lose a horse. Even if they're 30+ years and had a good run in life it's hard. As hard as it is at the moment, it will get better.

If it was the feed (and that's a plausable cause) it makes me glad I feed coconut now and not grain. I'd be going crazy if I had to worry about the feed killing my horses.

Again, sorry for the loss and I hope they come back with something on what was the actually cause. While answers don't undo the loss it does help to understand why and that helps dealing with it.
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you feed coconut? That's a first for me.
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So sorry for your loss. That's just terrible.
If you have a well the water couldn't have floride so that would be ruled out. I'm thinking something they ate like a plant. But mold could be a culprit. That is so horrible is would be devastated .
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you feed coconut? That's a first for me.
Dried coconut meat is called copra, Tiny.

I believe copra meal feed is only available in New Zealand, but I could be wrong.

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you feed coconut? That's a first for me.
Oh yes. Well, it's the copra actually. What's left after most of the oil has been pressed out of the meat of the coconut (don't use copra made by chemical means). It comes brown, because heat is used in part of the extraction process I think.

There's an Australian company that makes horse feed out of it. Works great if you want to cool down from a hot feed (grains are hot feeds....too much energy). Also good for low sugar (grains aren't good for diabetic horses either). There are several nice things about it.

You can look it up. I don't remember the name of the company, but the feed I use is Cool Stance. They make some high energy suppliments too. Found out about it when someone was needing to feed something that wasn't leaving her horse "hot". I didn't have that problem, but I liked the feed and my horses loved it from day one. Although I've heard that some horses don't take right to it, but eventually love it.
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