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    03-07-2012, 05:02 PM
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Ulcers and the problem of pain.

As some members who follow the story of DiDi will know, she has been diagnosed with level 4 plus ulcers. She is being treated with Gastrogard - probably for two months before the next 'scope.

At our request she has been given Danilon to help with pain issues but the supply lasts only till next Monday. The question is what do we do then? The vet is being elusive.

Any suggestions welcome......... please.

PS Does Devil's Claw work??
     
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    03-08-2012, 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry Godden    
As some members who follow the story of DiDi will know, she has been diagnosed with level 4 plus ulcers. She is being treated with Gastrogard - probably for two months before the next 'scope.

At our request she has been given Danilon to help with pain issues but the supply lasts only till next Monday. The question is what do we do then? The vet is being elusive.

Any suggestions welcome......... please.

PS Does Devil's Claw work??
Don't let your vet be elusive! You are paying the vet they work for you and should be working with you. So you should give the vet a call and see what your next course of action should be. If the vet does not like that then maybe you should find another one.
Gastrogard is a GREAT product. You should also try to keep her as calm as possible and not stress her out or give her reason to be nervous. :)
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    03-08-2012, 04:46 AM
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The vet is prima donna for sure and fails to return our calls despite promises to do so. But under the British system I am locked into this man if I want the insuracne company to pay the bills.

Vets usually treat the carer and the patient - this one doesn't seem to bother.

Have you any expereience with Devil's Claw????
     
    03-08-2012, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry Godden    
The vet is prima donna for sure and fails to return our calls despite promises to do so. But under the British system I am locked into this man if I want the insuracne company to pay the bills.

Vets usually treat the carer and the patient - this one doesn't seem to bother.

Have you any expereience with Devil's Claw????
No I sure have not. But I am sure you could find someone even online who might be able to help you. Like an herb place or the company that sells it maybe?
Could you complain to the insurance company about the vet?
     
    03-08-2012, 06:35 AM
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Until I have found another expert in ulcers -which this vet is said to be - then I shall not rock the boat. But the word will spread.
     
    03-08-2012, 10:09 AM
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Iv used products that has devils claw and yucca together it worked well for my mare with lameness problems. Not sure how that would work for ulcer pain I would guess it should help. Yucca is for pain relief and anti inflamatory together with devils claw it works well.Hope this helps you spirit88
     
    03-08-2012, 10:50 AM
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Devil's claw is typically used for arthritis and other joint issues. It's something that can cause ulcers on a horse without any - I would definitely not give it to a horse that already has them. Bad idea.
     
    03-08-2012, 11:45 AM
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It is my understanding that pain relievers can cause ulcers in horses, so you would not want to give these to a horse that already has ulcers. I'm not sure if this is the same with the herbal products or not.

Have you already started to treat your mare with the Gastrogard? It works incredibly well. As far as I know using the Gastrogard and thoughtful management is all that is needed in the treatment.

You may already be aware of the management, but here are some of the things that can help. Free choice all you can eat hay and/or pasture. This is important because it will keep the stomach from ever being empty for too long. If the stomach is left empty it builds up acids. It is also important to not exercise your horse on a completely empty stomach, having some hay/grass in there is a good thing. Just don't do this after a full feed! Lots of turnout time, horses that are kept in are more likely to have ulcers than those on 24/7 turnout, but even just being able to be turned out on a regular basis is good. If your horse is stressed out, try and find out what is stressing her and try and find a way to help her out. High fibre based feeds rather than grain based starchy feeds. These are some of the things I can think of at the moment, maybe I've missed something.

I bought a TB that had just been off the track for about 4 weeks and he had ulcers. I treated him with Gastrogard and started noticing a difference after about a week and half to 2 weeks. Management is very important for horses that have had ulcers. The Gastrogard does work, but if you aren't careful about the management they can reoccur.

I hope this helps out a little and that your mare is feeling better soon.
     
    03-08-2012, 11:49 AM
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WHat to do

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Originally Posted by CloudsMystique    
Devil's claw is typically used for arthritis and other joint issues. It's something that can cause ulcers on a horse without any - I would definitely not give it to a horse that already has them. Bad idea.
Your opinion is welcome but the question then remains - if the horse is in pain from ulcers, and Bute and Danilon are not suitable for use as painkillers that leaves the herbals of which Devils Claw is the top of the list.

The mare I met with this morning is utterly obnoxious but bearing in mind the pharmaceuticals being stuffed down her throat and the pain from the ulcers themselves maybe that is understandable. She can shout and scream, which is what she did today and I must understand. But until she comes back to normal behaviour she has no function in this life.

She comes off Danilon in Monday - what do I give her then, or do I leave her cold turket without pain killers of any type?

Gastrogard is not a pain killer, as I understand the process, it coats the ulcer to protect it from hydrochloric acid. In the interim the horse's natural anti bodies heal the stomach lining. That is why it is so expensive.

The vet won't answer the telephone. We've got 3 plus days to make a decision,to find the product and to give it to the horse for the first time on Monday next.

If my mare behaves any more badly than the way she does today, then life for all of us looks grim. She's giving me ulcers and I don't eat grass.

Any suggestions gratefully received.
     
    03-08-2012, 12:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry Godden    
diagnosed with level 4 plus ulcers


PS Does Devil's Claw work??
Specifically says to NOT use in horses with known ulcers.


Devils Claw for Horses
     

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