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    09-24-2013, 10:55 AM
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I'd have the syringes on hand, for eventual emergencies. If he always has hay or grass available, he shouldn't need the pellets daily.
As for the 4 cups....I give two handfuls with RB....that's a whopping 3 oz lol. So if he's not gaining, upping the alfalfa could be in order. My TB refused to gain the last 50 lbs needed until I fed soaked alfalfa- pellets, a tiny bit of wheatbran, to balance Ca:Ph, a little corn and barley, about a lb each and flax and soybeanmeal, 50 grams each. Then he started packing it on, topline and all. That was before feeding grains to horses was considered bad, tho
What sort of emergencies should I be watching out for? If I don't feed him the u-gard pellets every day, then which days should I?
Glad you mentioned the balancing act of feeding x.x this is killing me... If he's getting the RB, and the alfalfa pellets won't his Ca:Ph:Mg ratios all be off? I'm mostly concerned about his MG ratio, as you helped me to find my mare's ratio was very off. She's on just the RB, just 1 pounds (she should have 1.3 but she's SO fat!). So do you think the alfalfa is going to throw off his ratios? If so how can I balance out the Ph and Mg?

How long should I use the u-gard for? How do I know when/if he's feeling better - he's a seriously stoic horse and doesn't appear in pain with grooming, but when she ran the cap on him he just about fell down - she said it was the most extreme reaction she'd ever seen. I'm not sure how to do what she did to see if he's feeling better?
     
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    09-24-2013, 11:06 AM
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My mare is suffering from an ulcer as well. I've heard there's not much proven results from many of the supplements, however I have read from many that the smartgut ultra does help along with the ulcerguard used in combination during stressful episodes. I do like that smarkpak guarantees their results too. Right now my mare is on the higher dose of ulcerguard...getting a whole tube a week for 4 weeks.
     
    09-24-2013, 11:08 AM
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Oh, you're still feeding Ugard....
Well, consider his former lifestyle. Hay only at night, and maybe grain while he was working, right? To really know what his stomach looks like inside you need him scoped.
My last OTTB never saw Ugard or the like. He came underweight, cribbed and his poop smelled bad....really bad. I just fed him as if he had ulcers, most likely hindgut ulcers, too. Low starch feed, free choice hay, some alfalfa. He gained weight, grew a couple of inches and the smell went away, within 3 months....and he stopped cribbing.
I believe, that's the key to a healthy tummy.
     
    09-24-2013, 11:15 AM
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Oh, you're still feeding Ugard....
Well, consider his former lifestyle. Hay only at night, and maybe grain while he was working, right? To really know what his stomach looks like inside you need him scoped.
My last OTTB never saw Ugard or the like. He came underweight, cribbed and his poop smelled bad....really bad. I just fed him as if he had ulcers, most likely hindgut ulcers, too. Low starch feed, free choice hay, some alfalfa. He gained weight, grew a couple of inches and the smell went away, within 3 months....and he stopped cribbing.
I believe, that's the key to a healthy tummy.
He's not in any work anymore besides just occasional lazy trails, not much more movement than he'd be doing without it. But I think they were SO bad from his previous life that they just aren't going away from just a balanced diet. He's got pretty yucky poop, a little too wet (gotta wash his hocks pretty often). So do you think I should stop the U-gard? Or use something else?
Hopefully he doesn't grow any more! He's already hard enough to get on and take on any trails with trees! :P
     
    09-24-2013, 11:15 AM
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My mare is suffering from an ulcer as well. I've heard there's not much proven results from many of the supplements, however I have read from many that the smartgut ultra does help along with the ulcerguard used in combination during stressful episodes. I do like that smarkpak guarantees their results too. Right now my mare is on the higher dose of ulcerguard...getting a whole tube a week for 4 weeks.
The Ulcer guard syringe? How long do you do that process? Or is it forever?
     
    09-24-2013, 11:28 AM
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You can give ulcerguard in a full syringe depending on the weight. Or you can give gastroguard which requires a prescription. I have read that vets often use ulcerguard just at a higher dose. The gastroguard is used to treat ulcers (same ingredient you just give the whole tube instead of 1/4 tube like typically directed with ulcerguard for prevention of ulcers) I read is prescribed for 4 weeks then decreased by 1/2 for 2 additional weeks to prevent recurrence. After that its typically used just for stressful events for the horse. Though my vet office did mention this may be a permanent issue. I did read that the smartgut ultra has proven clinical results and in combination is effective. It was suggested that you treat the ulcer and give the supplement, then follow up with ulcerguard during events that may be prone to stress and result in an ulcer. And of course regular grazing which you are already doing. My mare is trickier as she's an easy keeper and has had laminitis :( so she's on a muzzle all but 2 hrs a day.
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    09-24-2013, 11:40 AM
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He's not in any work anymore besides just occasional lazy trails, not much more movement than he'd be doing without it. But I think they were SO bad from his previous life that they just aren't going away from just a balanced diet. He's got pretty yucky poop, a little too wet (gotta wash his hocks pretty often). So do you think I should stop the U-gard? Or use something else?
Hopefully he doesn't grow any more! He's already hard enough to get on and take on any trails with trees! :P
No no, he won't grow anymore, lol. My TB was three, so he had more growing to do.
He also had rather soft poo with a horrible smell, which, I'm convinced, was a sign of hindgut ulcers. For him, free choice hay and low starch feed did the trick.
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    09-24-2013, 12:12 PM
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I've tried most of the ulcer medications on Flo - she has to have pain meds from time to time for her arthritis and they seem to trigger off ulcers but I've found that if I use U-Gard alongside them she has no trouble at all
Have you wormed him for encysted worms? Its possible he still has some and that he might have contaminated the pasture if he had them (we call them redworm in the UK) when you got him.
I actually don't think he looks in bad shape at all when you compare the before and after pics but I have noticed that horses with a bad redworm infestation, encysted or migrating or damage from redworm tend to look worse in the hind end. They will cause ulcers too.
     
    09-24-2013, 01:22 PM
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I know drifter seemed to have more flare ups before he was put on the Smartpak smartgut ultra. I absolutely love it and now he just needs maintenance doses of you guard at the times I mentioned before (long hauls, deworming, shows, etc).

Usually if I see his poop is getting a little runny ill cut back his best grain feeding and feed him a bit more alfalfa. That usually helps the issue
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    09-24-2013, 01:29 PM
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And as far as feeding the pellets- I did 6 weeks of gastro guard along with regular maintenance doses of the you guard after, but I only ever used a syringe.

Once I got Drift on the Smartpak supplement it definitely cut back on the amount of maintenance doses I was needing to give. Drifter is a major internalizer so little things I didn't even think about were ruining his life in his mind ha.

Good luck with your boy! He is gorgeous :) I also had a lot of success with a muscle supplement from Smartpak when it came to building back up drifts topline and such
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