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post #1 of 23 Old 04-05-2012, 11:32 AM Thread Starter
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Update & Better Pictures - Peeling Hooves

Original thread: Hoof Peeling - Has anyone seen this before?

So I had the vet out today for Onyx. Vet is puzzled, so he took some pictures and is going to consult with the senior veterinarian at his practice. He also mentioned doing research.

Some good things: He doesn't think its white line disease, nor a selenium deficiency. He said the number one thing he can think of it a toxic plant in our area that is quite common, and if eaten in large quantities can cause issues. However, he said that it is the wrong time for that, since those plants have not yet bloomed.

He said it could be diet related, but he doubts it as Onyx has not had any major changes, and he estimates if it was diet it would have been a major change in the past few weeks (given where the lines on the hoof are). He did not completely rule that out.

He did say not to worry too much. I was going to go back to my hometown this weekend to celebrate Easter with my family, and he said it would still be alright, as he doesn't think it is going to get any worse over the weekend. Onyx is still his normal horsey self, no lethargy. My friend, who owns the other horse on the property, agreed to keep an eye on him for me.

Vet did ask about founder or abscess history. As far as I know, Onyx has had neither. Since I have had him (almost a year) he is on full pasture almost 24/7. Since it is spring, however, we have slowly reintroduced him to grass in 2,4,6,8 hour increments over a period of 2 weeks. No other signs of founder or discomfort are present.

Anybody got any opinions on this? It sure is weird!
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post #2 of 23 Old 04-05-2012, 01:35 PM
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Is there any chance you have a black walnut tree on the property, or maybe used shavings from a local mill that may have had black walnut go through the mill?

Black walnut is highly toxic to horses and can cause laminitis like issues.

That's the only thing you didn't mention that I could think of. That sure is some strange stuff you poor horse is going through, hope you guys get it figured out.
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Well there are not trees in his pasture, but there are some around. Could that be a possibility? Does it need to be ingested to cause issues?

I haven't had him on any wood shaving or bedding. He has a dirt paddock with a shelter and then full pasture, sectioned off.

Thank you for the response. I am hoping I can get this figured out soon.

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Lakota-In my experience, it's not selenium deficiency you need to worry about as much as a selenium overdose.

And no, horses founder from walking on the walnut hulls. Commonly there's a problem when the only shade is a walnut tree, and they stand under it. My own horses went through this once. Walnut isn't the only toxic tree, but the most common where I live.

Your horse doesn't look all that bad though, and to me those rings aren't prominent enough to suggest Laminitis. Looks like what we call "manure burn", which is common in horses that stand in manure and urine in a stall or lot.

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Oops typo. I was indeed talking about too much selenium, not a selenium deficiency. Vet said not to worry about it here though. We tend to be selenium deficient, not the other way around.

As far as manure burn, I guess I could see that. We have been fairly dry around here though, and his dry lot is a good size with not much manure in it.

I have dealt with laminitis before, I am pretty positive this is not laminitis. He is not sore, nor does he display any tenderness at all in the hoof or leg. So I think you are right about it not being that. I am a freak about preventing laminitis, and have been very careful monitoring his food and water intake (and output) to prevent it. That and colic scare the crud out of me, so I tend to be really careful during the whole springtime transitioning.

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Honestly I'd take a finishing rasp, sanding block or sandpaper and smooth it up. It doesn't look like anything unusual to me. Definitely isn't going to cause lameness, I wouldn't sweat the small stuff.
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Honestly I'd take a finishing rasp, sanding block or sandpaper and smooth it up. It doesn't look like anything unusual to me. Definitely isn't going to cause lameness, I wouldn't sweat the small stuff.
They honestly don't look bad to me either...try putting some plain ole vaseline on the outside of the hoof, rub it in good and do that a few times a week for a few months and I bet you will see a difference. Not all horses have perfectly smooth hooves, yours may be one of them.

Please let us know if you do find a reason...but relax, as long as your horse is healthy, sound and alert...go out and ride and enjoy them!
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If you look at her previous thread, there was a concern that the hoof wall was peeling off and one of the pictures there kind of looked like was. These pictures don't show that. Also she was advised to clean the hooves and when she used peroxide to do that it bubbled. Odd..

Lakotababii -- does it still seem like the hoof wall integrity is compromised just below the periople?
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If you look at her previous thread, there was a concern that the hoof wall was peeling off and one of the pictures there kind of looked like was. These pictures don't show that. Also she was advised to clean the hooves and when she used peroxide to do that it bubbled. Odd..

Lakotababii -- does it still seem like the hoof wall integrity is compromised just below the periople?
Many vets are advising to NOT use hydrogen peroxide to clean anything, it compromises the wound. If she is using it to clean the hooves, of course it is going to bubble, hooves are dirty! Many people use hydrogen peroxide as a wound cleaner. However, peroxide kills very few bacteria and is actually toxic to cells, which results in delayed healing of that wound.
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It kind of looks like hoof abrasion from walking through or standing in sandy mud (pastern deep or deeper)…then drying out.

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