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    02-24-2011, 07:34 PM
  #1
Yearling
Using ACE before training?

There is a trainer at the barn I work at who is in her late 40s, and she has a 3 year old gelding that she's trying to break to ride. The horse only leaves his stall for a few hours at night when he's put in the indoor arena with another horse, or he leaves his stall when she is training him. She claims that she's too old to get thrown, so she ACEs him before she rides him EVERY TIME. There are times where she rides him every day for weeks. She's been doing this since October, and she hasn't gotten far with him training wise. She lunges him for a half an hour with side-reins, and then has someone walk her around while she sits on him for about 20 minutes. In the beginning, she was having another person ride him, but she was thrown 3 times. I'm pretty sure I've read some where that ACE impairs learning, so that would probably explain why they haven't gotten far in his training.
Giving this horse ACE so often can not be healthy, or am I the only one who thinks this? She even told me that she has to lie to the vet and say that she needs it for clipping ears because he won't sell it to her otherwise. Also if you think that you're too old to train horses without drugging them first, I think it's time for you to retire.
     
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    02-24-2011, 07:39 PM
  #2
Weanling
I agree... If she thinks she is too old to get thrown she shouldn't be riding horses anymore. Unless she wants to drug everything she rides =/

Anyways I have no idea what ace is XD
     
    02-24-2011, 07:39 PM
  #3
Yearling
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Originally Posted by whitetrashwarmblood    
There is a trainer at the barn I work at who is in her late 40s, and she has a 3 year old gelding that she's trying to break to ride. The horse only leaves his stall for a few hours at night when he's put in the indoor arena with another horse, or he leaves his stall when she is training him. She claims that she's too old to get thrown, so she ACEs him before she rides him EVERY TIME. There are times where she rides him every day for weeks. She's been doing this since October, and she hasn't gotten far with him training wise. She lunges him for a half an hour with side-reins, and then has someone walk her around while she sits on him for about 20 minutes. In the beginning, she was having another person ride him, but she was thrown 3 times. I'm pretty sure I've read some where that ACE impairs learning, so that would probably explain why they haven't gotten far in his training.
Giving this horse ACE so often can not be healthy, or am I the only one who thinks this? She even told me that she has to lie to the vet and say that she needs it for clipping ears because he won't sell it to her otherwise. Also if you think that you're too old to train horses without drugging them first, I think it's time for you to retire.
I agree with you. Using ACE IMO won't get anything done because what is going to happen when she goes to show, sell, or lease him out? Is she going to ACE him every time then too? It's not right. I don't know much about the ACE side effects, but I'm sure it probably does impair learning. It sounds like this trainer has been around the track a few times, and it is time for her to quit training and maybe just give lessons. She could hire someone to ride for her if she feels like she's too old!
     
    02-24-2011, 07:44 PM
  #4
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Sarahandlola    
Anyways I have no idea what ace is XD
Here's a site that explains it --> The use of Acepromazine (ace) in horses
     
    02-24-2011, 07:49 PM
  #5
Banned
Wow she must be quite the trainer!
     
    02-24-2011, 07:50 PM
  #6
Yearling
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Originally Posted by justjump    
I agree with you. Using ACE IMO won't get anything done because what is going to happen when she goes to show, sell, or lease him out? Is she going to ACE him every time then too? It's not right. I don't know much about the ACE side effects, but I'm sure it probably does impair learning. It sounds like this trainer has been around the track a few times, and it is time for her to quit training and maybe just give lessons. She could hire someone to ride for her if she feels like she's too old!

She has actually already sold him to one of her friends, but the agreement is that she'll keep him and train him until he's broke enough to be shown. They plan on giving him to this lady's 12 yr old daughter. The sad thing is the people that bought him agree with her about drugging him before training. She also does give lessons.
     
    02-24-2011, 07:56 PM
  #7
Yearling
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Originally Posted by AlexS    
Wow she must be quite the trainer!

She has told us all at the barn that she's the best at what she does, but we all kinda roll our eyes and scoop more horse manure. Haha
     
    02-24-2011, 08:16 PM
  #8
Weanling
ACE does indeed impair learning. Daily use is not healthy at all. My stupid trainer says its "good to help be safe when riding a crazy horse" but that's BS. She calls it "like drinking a margarita" but its more like strong Valium. Imagine being coordinated and carrying someone on your back while on Valium...*shudder* (No, I don't like my trainer for this at all.) Some people use it for trailering too. Again, that's not safe or good in the long run. The only time that's okay is if the horse is really stressed out and there is not ample time to desensitize. Even then it should only be used as a one time thing.

It should really only be used for medical reasons. I get really upset that people use it for other reasons.
     
    02-24-2011, 08:16 PM
  #9
Weanling
Lunging a three year old every day for a half hour? That's going to do damage to his knees and growth for sure! If the horse keeps pitching her, perhaps he's in pain (ill fitting tack, teeth need floating, bones need adjustment, muscles need a massage, poor riding, etc.)

I don't know what the long term effects of giving ACE on a daily basis are, but it's not likely good!

I'd be looking for a new trainer...
     
    02-24-2011, 08:24 PM
  #10
Trained
She is no trainer at all! She is a hack and a shyster. No decent trainer would dream of drugging a horse to ride it. Even a poor trainer would do that.
     

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