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    09-29-2011, 08:15 AM
  #11
Green Broke
Stop feeding him all that mix mash stuff you are giving him, Oil, fiber, and straight grain. Drink a couple shot glasses of oil each day and a bowl of water soaked fiber and see what happens to you. You are basically feeding your horse pure laxatives. I be more willing to bet that is his problem not the grass. Horses evolved to eat grass not that stuff.
Buy some name brand actual horse feed that has a decent nutrition package actually designed for a horse, then let him eat grass. Stat slow then increase the amount each day. Mine horses stool gets pretty loose lately but it has been raining alot and its from all the water in the grass.
     
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    09-30-2011, 01:22 AM
  #12
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Originally Posted by Joe4d    
stop feeding him all that mix mash stuff you are giving him, Oil, fiber, and straight grain. Drink a couple shot glasses of oil each day and a bowl of water soaked fiber and see what happens to you. You are basically feeding your horse pure laxatives. I be more willing to bet that is his problem not the grass. Horses evolved to eat grass not that stuff.
Buy some name brand actual horse feed that has a decent nutrition package actually designed for a horse, then let him eat grass. Stat slow then increase the amount each day. Mine horses stool gets pretty loose lately but it has been raining alot and its from all the water in the grass.
He was actually worse before I started giving him feed to be honest, and at the time the stool problem started he wasn't being fed anything but grass at all.
But I will take that into consideration, I don't want to be knowingly feeding my horse laxatives.

I do have named brand actual horse feed, the extruded barley is Dunstans, and today I went out and brought a complete feed, Fibre Sure.
The Palm Kernel isn't a name brand horse feed, but it is quite common to feed it to horses over here.

A lack of fibre can actually cause Diarrhoea, which explains why he's had firmer stools since I've been feeding it. Importance of Fibre

I do appreciate your concern though and thankyou for the input, I pulled the oil from his feed because I realised what it would be doing, even though it was helping put weight on. I am working on building up the amount of grass he has, I just have to be careful of 1. His stools, and 2. His behaviour, last time he got too much grass in spring he didn't know what to do with all the enrgy and it got nasty very fast.
     
    09-30-2011, 03:22 AM
  #13
Weanling
Was going to say that - Palm kernal and Extruded barley are used alot over here for weight gain and don't tend to cause diarrhea in horses its more likely to be the grass she's on - especially at this time of the year - we have has a good spring grass wise - hot weather and lots of rain... theres a few horses round with similar issues...

My older mares on extruded barley, lowi gi, chaff and oil and she's fine (Personally not a fan of the palm kernal but that's just me I have friends that feed it)

If you up the oil slowly it doesnt tend to soften them...
     
    09-30-2011, 03:52 AM
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was going to say that - Palm kernal and Extruded barley are used alot over here for weight gain and don't tend to cause diarrhea in horses its more likely to be the grass she's on - especially at this time of the year - we have has a good spring grass wise - hot weather and lots of rain... theres a few horses round with similar issues...

My older mares on extruded barley, lowi gi, chaff and oil and she's fine (Personally not a fan of the palm kernal but that's just me I have friends that feed it)

If you up the oil slowly it doesnt tend to soften them...
Yeah, that seems to be the only downfall of spring, more grass sure but it doesn't completely agree with everything system wise.

Have you ever used Fibre Sure? I'm going to try it and if it works I'll keep on it until he's a better weight, if not well then I guess I'll find something else.
I only use the Palm Kernel because we have a ready supply of it, dad buys it buy the ton(s), if we didn't have it for the cows I wouldn't use it, but it seems to be doing well with his system so I'll keep at it. Just curious, why aren't you keen on Palm Kernel? If any reason at all.

Does Rice Bran oil do any different to vegetable oil? Can you even feed that to horses? Just wondering because I got a sample bottle today at supermarket.

I got told today by the cashier at the supermarket that the only way she could put weight on her friends throughbred was to use sweetfeed and molasses.. I'm not too keen on that idea because molasses is pretty much just sugar right? Don't particularly want to go down that path. I also thought it would make them hyper because of the sugar.
     
    09-30-2011, 08:00 AM
  #15
Weanling
Why is rice bran oil useful for horses?

Firstly, rice bran oil is useful for adding sheen to the hair coat.
Secondly, it is very high in digestible energy and will add calories to the diet without bulk.
Additionally, crude rice bran oil contains high levels of natural antioxidants, such as gamma-oryzanol and various forms of vitamin E. Vitamin E helps protect cell membranes, improves immune function and prevents muscle soreness, inflammation and "tying-up" in horses.
Crude rice bran oil is the natural source of gamma-oryzanol.
Besides having an antioxidative function, gamma-oryzanol may also reduce the incidence or severity of gastric ulcers and is claimed to have "body building" effects.

They say if you feed a small amount (2 ounces) you get shinny coat, a bit more (4 ounces) weight gain, and even more (8 ounces) for significant weight gain.

I don't personally feed it but have heard nothing but good things about Rice Bran so take my info with a grain of salt. If I had a horse requiring some weight gain I would certainly consider feeding it as it allows for a low feed bulk, weight gain which is ideal.
     
    09-30-2011, 08:32 AM
  #16
Green Broke
We use a dried shredded beat fiber soaked in water in the US Sounds similar to your palm kernal, but its used specifically to make them poop or loosen things up to get it moving. And when you said "barley" I thought you were giving him pure grain as opposed to horse feed. Are other horses on the same grass having issues ? My horse's poo is pretty loose also I had assumed it was all the water in the grass, but he is fat and happy and gained a bunch of weight since I rescued him. I am a firm believer in mother nature knowing what she is doing. Horses are specifically designed to eat large quantities of really poor quality food. I see horse pastures, sprayed, limed fertilized, weed killer and manicured to the point they look like a golf course, then people wonder why their horses founder in the spring if they get out of the barn for more than a couple hours. If plain ole grass and hay are going in and coming out steady and he is still loosing weight I'd be back to the vet something isnt right.
     
    09-30-2011, 02:11 PM
  #17
Weanling
Joe that shredded beet sound similar to what we would called sugar/eezy beet - it comes in pellets and you soak for 2 hours plus.... Palm kernals like a powder (More like copra if you know what tthat is)

Hardest thing in NZ is that we have to turn out our horses 24 7 in most places

Biggest reason Im not a fan is one of my mares doesnt eat it :) The fibre sure feeds are fabulous feeds - so many people swear by it - I know a ton of people who feed it

Re molasses and sweetfeed (also got a ton of sugar in it) is extremely heating - and not so good for their teeth - personally I would continue what you are doing....

If you have dairy do you use balage? That's another option as well (Though again some horses find this heating) I never have though and I have a baby who can't toiuch barley and a naturally hot tb X

- when I looked at oils for the horse - Rice brand came back with the best nutritional information - but they were all pretty much if a muchness - the stuff in the gold tins works out pretty cheap
     
    09-30-2011, 04:44 PM
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We use a dried shredded beat fiber soaked in water in the US Sounds similar to your palm kernal, but its used specifically to make them poop or loosen things up to get it moving. And when you said "barley" I thought you were giving him pure grain as opposed to horse feed. Are other horses on the same grass having issues ? My horse's poo is pretty loose also I had assumed it was all the water in the grass, but he is fat and happy and gained a bunch of weight since I rescued him. I am a firm believer in mother nature knowing what she is doing. Horses are specifically designed to eat large quantities of really poor quality food. I see horse pastures, sprayed, limed fertilized, weed killer and manicured to the point they look like a golf course, then people wonder why their horses founder in the spring if they get out of the barn for more than a couple hours. If plain ole grass and hay are going in and coming out steady and he is still loosing weight I'd be back to the vet something isnt right.
No that sounds more like eezy-beet over here, in which case I won't be getting near that stuff if that's what its intended to do .
Oh right, sorry about that I probably should have said exactly what the barley was in the first place, but yeah it is a horse feed specifically designed to put weight on, I chose that as opposed to oats because it has a record of being less heating.
Nope, I had another tb on the same grass at the same time and for 3 years before that and only Mitch has had problems so far, also my miniature has been on that grass lately and still has no problems. We are on dairy pasture and I know all the grass is rye if that makes any difference. He has only had the problems since someone let him out of his paddock during the winter and he gutsed himself on rich grass, could that still be playing a part in it? As he never had problems before that. He also come from completely different pasture when we brought him.
We don't do much special to our paddocks, no spraying, no weed killing (apart from grubbing anything poisonous) we do fertilize them though, but that is once in a blue moon sorta thing and the cows go in there before Mitch does. We don't even have a barn or stables haha that would be such a luxury over here, my horses are out 24/7.

If he has enough hay he seems to be alright, it's just that we've run out of hay and can't get any more right now, we should be able to soon but until then I guess I have to intervene a bit.
     
    09-30-2011, 04:52 PM
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Biggest reason Im not a fan is one of my mares doesnt eat it :) The fibre sure feeds are fabulous feeds - so many people swear by it - I know a ton of people who feed it

Re molasses and sweetfeed (also got a ton of sugar in it) is extremely heating - and not so good for their teeth - personally I would continue what you are doing....

If you have dairy do you use balage? That's another option as well (Though again some horses find this heating) I never have though and I have a baby who can't touch barley and a naturally hot tb X

- when I looked at oils for the horse - Rice brand came back with the best nutritional information - but they were all pretty much if a muchness - the stuff in the gold tins works out pretty cheap

Ah right, mine seem to love it.
Oh good, I'm going to start feeding him a little bit today and increase it slowly and see how it goes.. Fingers crossed

That was what I thought, my first reaction was about it ruining their teeth and it being heating but the lady that told me about it seemed to think it wasn't heating. Just the sugar alone put me off but just thought I'd make sure I was getting it right.

We do have balage, well I think we still do because I know we did not long ago I'm guessing again I would have to slowly build it up? I have been told that if you just give them as much as you would normally give in hay that it can cause Diarrhoea, but I'm not entirely sure.

Oh cool, perhaps I will start putting a little bit of that in his feed, once I've seen what the Fibre sure does first
     
    10-02-2011, 02:57 AM
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Here's some photo's of Mitch, you all may not think he's too underweight, but I'm used to having a fat thoroughbred so to me he looks skinny, I think it's mainly his big hips he had more weight on him when I brought him home so I'm used to him being bigger than this, but yeah, do you think he's ok how he is considering he doesn't have much muscle right now? Or is he still a bit skinny for a thoroughbred?

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