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        07-21-2010, 11:38 AM
      #11
    Yearling
    The problem with titers is that there simply isn't enough data yet to really know when they are protective. There have been horses with negative titers that didn't get sick and others with high titers that did. The science just isn't there to back up using titers in horses at this point especially when the vaccines are effective and have such tiny risk of serious adverse events.


    My horses get EEE (Eastern Equine Encephalitis), WEE, VEE (because we are down here in Texas), WNV, and Tetanus in the spring. In the fall I give Influenza, EHV (Rhino) and Rabies. The timing on the Rabies is because that is when I have my coggins tests and teeth floating done.

    What everyone needs to realize is that while there is a core set of vaccines that all horses should get at least once a year (recommended in the spring prior to biting insect season), the rest of the recommendations are based upon age, use, geographic location, and other factors. There is no one-size-fiits-all program so you can't compare your vaccination program to someone else's and say "oh, I don't need x" or "I must need to give y". The core vaccinations are: EEE, WEE, WNV, Tetanus and Rabies. All horses should get these and this is as far as you can go with comparing one vaccination plan to another. But someone else may live in an area where they actually recommend EEE, WEE and WNV twice a year rather than once. Or if your horse shows or lives in a barn where horses travell, besides those core vaccinations your vet may recommend Influenza and EHV (Rhino) as many as 4 times a year.
         
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        07-21-2010, 03:56 PM
      #12
    Started
    I forgot Tetanus on my list too... goes to show I need that cup of coffee in the mornings ;)
         
        07-21-2010, 11:50 PM
      #13
    Trained
    Eastern and western Encephalitis, Tetanus, Influenza, Rhino, and West Nile...I do my own. I have seriously thought about finding out if you can simply do a titre each year, as I know with dogs and cats you can just do the check rather than 'have' to vaccinate yearly. If they need it, they need it, but if they don't, I would rather not vaccinate.
         
        07-22-2010, 12:15 AM
      #14
    Yearling
    I stopped giving WNV shots several years ago. I used to vaccinate religiously, but my American Cream gelding came down with it anyway. My vet told me that the vaccine was only marginally effective. The final straw was when I vaccinated 2 yearlings and one died of a massive allergic reaction. The other yearling's neck swelled up grossly and while he pulled through, it healed weird so he had a fist sized depression in his neck where the vaccine was given.

    I'm not saying its for everyone, but in my case my decision to not vaccinate for WNV is supported by my vet.

    I vaccinate for Tetanus because I have goats on the property. I vaccinate my goats for tetanus also. Rabies for everyone because I live in a rabies endemic area. WEE/EEE because that has been reported in my area.
         
        07-22-2010, 12:16 AM
      #15
    Foal
    I just have the vet come out and do all the vaccines each year. It gives the vet a chance to see my horses well, and incase of emergency then the vet's been here before and is familiar with my animals.
         
        07-22-2010, 12:22 AM
      #16
    Banned
    I do all the usual...I think it falls right in line with yours draftrider. We do IN strangles because in the past year we have had a surge of strangles cases.

    We would give all of our own vacs and do give most of them but have to call the vet out to do the rabies.
         
        07-22-2010, 01:23 PM
      #17
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by draftrider    
    I stopped giving WNV shots several years ago. I used to vaccinate religiously, but my American Cream gelding came down with it anyway. My vet told me that the vaccine was only marginally effective.
    I'm unsure where your vet got this information but there are multiple studies that show that the WNV vaccines on the market are HIGHLY effective. And these are studies where the horses are exposed to the disease causing virus up to 1 year after vaccination.
    West Nile Virus - AAEP
    Comparative Efficacies of Three Commercially Available Vaccines against West Nile Virus (WNV) in a Short-Duration Challenge Trial Involving an Equine WNV Encephalitis Model

    Unfortunately while these vaccines are highly effective, they (nor any other vaccine) are 100% effective. This is because you aren't counting on the vaccine itself to prevent disease but rather the body's immune reaction to that vaccine. Anything can compromises the immune system at the time of vaccination or at the time of exposure to the infectious agent and lead to disease developing. After all the inmmune system isn't 100% infallible itself and can only cope with so much at one time. So even a horse that is current on vaccinations may still develope one of the diseases that he is vaccinated against.


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    Originally Posted by draftrider    
    The final straw was when I vaccinated 2 yearlings and one died of a massive allergic reaction. The other yearling's neck swelled up grossly and while he pulled through, it healed weird so he had a fist sized depression in his neck where the vaccine was given.

    This is very sad, but it's not common. The incidence of serious adverse reaction to the WNV vaccines is actually less than 1%.
         
        07-22-2010, 03:31 PM
      #18
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stonehorsedesigns    
    I just have the vet come out and do all the vaccines each year. It gives the vet a chance to see my horses well, and incase of emergency then the vet's been here before and is familiar with my animals.
    This is partially why I have my vet out. I'm perfectly capable of giving vax by myself, but I would still rather have my vet out. I've seen some terrible storage methods at the various farm stores and I know by vet is anal enough to make sure that her vaccines are well stored before giving them. If one of my horses does have a major reaction I'm screwed if the vet isn't there. It'll take her at least 30-40 minutes to make it out to my place (maybe less if I was really lucky) and by that point the horse could be dead.

    Last but definitely not least I've found that fostering a good relationship with a veterinarian has some major benefits. Not the least of which is my vet's willingness to give me extra time to pay, especially in an emergency. I'm still paying off the colic visit that happened in February and my shots, but the vet already gave my coggins and has helped me a couple of other times besides. She knows me well enough to know that I'll pay her back and if she needs a favor she can call me too. I'd like to think we're as much friends as anything else.
         
        07-22-2010, 11:59 PM
      #19
    Yearling
    Ryle, so you are basically telling me that my vet is wrong in saying that the vaccine, in her opinion, is ineffective? And that my gelding got WNV even though he had been vaccinated, because there was something wrong with him, even though he had passed health checks just weeks before? Sorry, I am not saying you are wrong, but I don't buy it. This happened the 2nd year Fort Dodge put out the WNV vaccine. I think the vaccine wasn't tested enough and was pushed on the market too soon because horses were dying and owners were yelling for a preventative. Maybe they are better now, but back then? Nope. I don't think they were effective.
         
        07-23-2010, 12:44 PM
      #20
    Green Broke
    West Nile, EEE, WEE, Tetanus, Flu/Rhino.
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