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  • States that let you buy rabies vaccine
  • Can i order rabies vaccine for horse if i live in texas

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    06-12-2013, 10:56 PM
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Foal
Vaccines..

Alright... first off we administer our vaccines ourselves most of the time and usually just the West Nile Vaccine... We get them through our vet so everything should be good to go. This year he also gave us the rabies vaccine because it's becoming more popular in our area with skunks, coons, etc.

Here's the questions... 1) My dad and I administer the vaccines together because my horse is pretty jumpy about them. Is this normal? He sees my dad coming and he just gets all hyped up like usual but then he just HATES the shot. Is there like a safe way that we should try or is it just do it... (I live on a farm and my dad is always giving vaccines to cows... just thought that might be useful.)
2) I'm still in highschool so I don't know much about this next thing... My dad just gave the rabies shot today and there was some of the vaccine got on my horse instead of, well, you know... in the muscle. I brushed my hand of it afterwards calming my horse down because, like I said, he gets worked up about it... I told my dad and he got a tad worried because it's rabies which got me worried. I washed my hands quite alot...He now thinks I'll be fine but I just can't stop thinking about it.. I found online that rabies shots are inactivated fluid so I should be good right? I guess I just need some more confirmation. Ugh.. I am such a worry wart.
     
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    06-13-2013, 06:45 AM
  #2
Yearling
It's a bit unusual for the vet to hand out a rabies vaccine. I've been to a lot of different states and none of the vets would give me a rabies. It always had to be administered by a licensed vet by law. Where do you live?

I would consult a doctor about it if you were worried. It may be fine or there may be an issue... I'm not sure. No one outside of a licensed vet is allowed to handle the vaccine in the places I've lived so my knowledge on its dangers are slim. I do know that once you show any signs of the disease, it's too late. You're basically toast, so I would consult a doctor right away.
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    06-13-2013, 07:22 AM
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Started
The vaccine is a killed virus. They basically take the rabies virus expose it to radiation so it can no longer reproduce. The immune system looks at the capsid (virus coating) and reacts to that. Which means if exposed to the virus than the immune system (specifically B and T cells) can recognize and attack it. Long story short you should be fine. Strangles is a modified live so that should avoid mucous membranes.

In the united states, it is required (as I understand it) for a veterinarian to administer the rabies virus. If you horse comes down with rabies and someone gets sick, it falls on your veterinarian with the state as far as potentially loosing their license. Since rabies is such a problem (world wild it kills thousands each year) and its a public health issue. That combined with the only treatments are the Missouri protocol which was done once with moderate success (she lived but is not high functioning) and involved putting a woman into a cold induced coma for six months. They like to have a vet say "yes I vaccinated so and so horse". If its an owner some owners don't know how to give shots, say they did but did not or any other possible imaginable situation etc (think I am being rude ask your vet how many "emergency tick bite" or "oh my god his penis is stuck out" calls they have gotten). My thoughts your vet either thinks you are super trustworthy or is phoning it in.
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    06-13-2013, 08:35 AM
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Foal
"My thoughts your vet either thinks you are super trustworthy or is phoning it in. "

What does phoning it in mean? We went to the vet and asked for the West Nile vaccine and they gave it to us with the rabies one. She wrote the info in a computor too...Which she should do for records. I don't know much about the rules but when they gave us the equine rabies vaccine, we also asked if we could get a dog one... They told us that for sure we had to take her in to the vet. So... maybe the rules are different? I don't know... My horse pretty much stays on our farm. He doesn't ever leave the yard except for riding on roads within a certain radius. Hmmm.... I don't think the vet would have given me anything that wasn't legal... They're really good and I love how they handle things. Ok... Well thanks for the confirmation though on the fact that I shouldn't have to worry too much.
     
    06-13-2013, 08:38 AM
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My vet will give me rabies vaccines for me to give to my horses, but for dogs and cats the vet has to give it to them.
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    06-13-2013, 08:44 AM
  #6
Foal
Really? Ok so I'm not the only one... I feel a lot better about that now too! Thanks gigem88!!

Is it common for horses to get rabies??
     
    06-13-2013, 09:50 AM
  #7
Yearling
It's different from state to state. You can even order rabies vaccines online but they are very strict about which states they ship too. I'm in Texas and can't get anyone to ship them to me. I'm even personal friends with my vet outside of the clinic and tried to sweet talk her into the rabies vaccines since I do all my other vaccnines myself, and she said legally a vet has to at least be on the premises if you do it yourself so why not just have her do it then. That doesn't mean a self administered shot won't work, lol, it just means no one will recognize it legally if an issue ever arises and I think the vet could get in some hot water if it comes out they weren't the ones who administered the shot that has been recorded. Like I said, I can only speak for Texas and am repeating what my vet told me. It's really not an issue for me though because she is always super anxious to vaccinate for rabies on any animal. She came out here without even a trip charge as soon as I mentioned it just because rabies is so bad here. There are always reports of rabid skunks, coyotes, possums, and racoons. Horses are mainly at risk if they spend time on a pasture. The rabies risk also depends on your area but most areas do struggle with it. As far as getting it yourself from the vaccine, like others mentioned, it is a killed virus so I don't think you can have issues there.
     
    06-13-2013, 10:13 AM
  #8
Trained
Here in OK I can go to any of the feed stores and buy rabies, they even put tags in the package. You get a 10 dose vail, 10 3cc syringes and 10 tags. That said, you can administer it yourself but if your dog ever bit someone, then they'd still have to be quarantined because they wouldn't acknowledge the shot because it wasn't given by a vet. For livestock, there's no issue, you just give it. I think because rabies is pretty much endemic to the skunks around here, they'd rather you gave it yourself than to not do it because you couldn't afford a vet visit.

And, no, just getting it on your skin won't hurt you.
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    06-13-2013, 10:32 AM
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Yearling
I do wish they made it easier to give yourself just like all the other vaccines. I live about 30 min from the OK border and my vet did suggest I cross the border to get my rabies vaccines if I insisted on doing it myself but I just didn't feel like driving since she was so willing to do it. I think Dreamcatcher is right. A lot of states are shooting themselves in the foot by making it more complicated and people will risk not vaccinating at all just so they don't have to mess with a vet. A self purchased rabies vaccine is what $5-6??? And then you might have to pay a vet $65 to come out and do it? Like I said above, mine just came out no charge except for the shot which ended up being $18 per shot which is still pricier than a home bought, but I do think more people would do it if they could do it themselves. I know, the alternative is more than money can buy, but not everybody thinks that way.
     
    06-13-2013, 10:43 AM
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Trained
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Originally Posted by mammakatja    
I do wish they made it easier to give yourself just like all the other vaccines. I live about 30 min from the OK border and my vet did suggest I cross the border to get my rabies vaccines if I insisted on doing it myself but I just didn't feel like driving since she was so willing to do it. I think Dreamcatcher is right. A lot of states are shooting themselves in the foot by making it more complicated and people will risk not vaccinating at all just so they don't have to mess with a vet. A self purchased rabies vaccine is what $5-6??? And then you might have to pay a vet $65 to come out and do it? Like I said above, mine just came out no charge except for the shot which ended up being $18 per shot which is still pricier than a home bought, but I do think more people would do it if they could do it themselves. I know, the alternative is more than money can buy, but not everybody thinks that way.
I think the whole package cost me around $25. I can buy just the vial of vaccine if I order on line and I think that's about $19 from Valley Vet. And let me clarify something, it's a 10 dose vial for a dog or cat, 5 doses for horses because you give 2 ml to horses. Normally I just buy the package locally because I get the syringes too and don't have to buy a box full of 3 cc syringes that I only use when I give vaccines. So, $5/horse is about right on the rabies vac. I haven't used a vet to give the horses any vaccines in so long I can't even guess what they'd charge. I know a farm call is $65, the vaccines would all be on top of that.
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