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    10-30-2008, 02:46 PM
I understand what you are saying about the Hominy . How are you coming up with the 55% NSC? I need your formula please.

If I didn't know any better, I'd think you criticizing me.

What do you mean you are shocked to see ingredients, yadda, yadda, yadda?? I read it straight from the darn tag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    10-30-2008, 03:24 PM
Ive never been a big user on natural remedies. I've seen horses have severe allergic reactions (though rare but still). Try upping her work routine first (if time allows). Try more trotting work (trotting is more engery consuming than canter so I hear). Also cut back on the rain (or pellets). With a riding horse we use to have, we gave him half a scoop of oats in the morning, half in the afternoon and one full one at night (scoop as in a margine cup size) but gave him all the hay he could eat plus turn out time.

Im not sure what area you live in (I live in ontario) so winters are kinda nippy. We put a blanket on him 24/7 (inside and out to help with body warmth) and cut back a little on turn out time (weather pending).

Theres an article in an old Horse & Rider magazine I have about herbal remedies. Ill search for it and let you know some that may help with calming a horse down.
    10-30-2008, 03:44 PM
XKATEx ..thank you so much! I am in Texas...getting cooler finally so upping the workout can definitely happen! Sometimes I get so caught up in their feeding regimen I completely rule out the simple things in life...EXERCISE~!!! She getting plenty of it daily but will step it up a bit and make it more challenging for her!

I'd love to see the article!
    10-30-2008, 04:33 PM
Couldnt find it. I believe it may have been thrown out :(. I went searching and found some "herbal remedies" that may be of interest.

Scullcap- for anxiety/nervousness.

Aromatherapy- NONE of these should be taken internally btw. Try washing her with Lavender scented shampoo(not sure if there is a horse wash like that). I have used Ivory Body Wash on a horse before when needed with no problems. There is a Lavender scented Ivory body wash. Be very cautious. My horses never had any problems with it but try washing a small area just to make sure first. Wait a few days and monitor the area. Make sure you rinse thoroughly. Try Tea Tree Oil wash. Its all natural. People use it to get rid of head lice but I've seen horsemen use it to get rid of "parasites" its also a relaxant.

There is more, im still searching

Try contacting your vet and if possible see if you can arrange for your horse to get accupuncture. I use to work at a stable with a psychotic 30yrs old gelding. (oh yes he looked his age as well). After about a month and a half of accupuncture he started to calm down. Also talk to your vet to see if they know of any "equine safe" remedies to "calm down" a horse.

Remember its probably just your horses personality. I've owned horses you could have sworn were possessed but no matter what, that's just the way they were.

Try leaning towards more "behavioural" fixes rather than "medical". Try some Natural Horsemanship (go to youtube and type in names like Clinton Anderson and such). Stuff that makes your horse think and work but LISTEN to you.

Hope I helped :)
    10-30-2008, 05:10 PM
I do Clinton ANderson techniques and she does very well with it all...yields hind quarters, side passes, lunges with respect, doesn't get into my hoola hoop, etc. She's HIGHLY trained as well. I know this is her personality, that's why I was looking into something herbal to help her a bit.

We've also done chiropractic work and Equine massage...

I do Rasberry leaves and Wild Yam for her PMS...
    10-30-2008, 10:53 PM
Originally Posted by ahearn    
I understand what you are saying about the Hominy . How are you coming up with the 55% NSC? I need your formula please.

If I didn't know any better, I'd think you criticizing me.

What do you mean you are shocked to see ingredients, yadda, yadda, yadda?? I read it straight from the darn tag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO I am not critzing you... I have NEVEr seen a Nutena tag with actual ingredients in Indiana, IL, TN and KY they list products not actual indgredients........

The hominy is 55% NSC according to DairyOne's forage lab keep in mind that is the average ...... I am not using a formula I am using actual test data from Dairy one and Equianalytic(sp)

You state you are OPEN to learning but when I am tryin to help you are getting defensive... I understand it is hard to change or doubt those that you know but do some research on Safechoice from places NOT associated with ANY feed company ... if you are feedin the minimum of Safe Choice which I THINK is 5lbs for the nutrition needed you are feeding over 1lb of sugars and starches...
    10-30-2008, 11:18 PM
I'm sorry, but I've never IN MY LIFE been accused at not being open to others opinions or research. That's all I am about....research and opinions.

BUT when you openly attack members of this forum (which I have witnessed time and time again) saying they are lying (which by the way, In TEXAS they freaking list the ingredients of Safe Choice..don't know who in the hell you deal with, but it's listed here...but if you doubt me again I will be more than happy to send it priority mail to you directly)...

I wish to no longer deal with you as your opinions mean nothing to me anymore. I honestly thought you had something to offer me with the knowledge you spoke of....BUt I will not be chastized and made to feel like an idiot. Your research CONTRADICTS my research (as well as my Equine Nutritionist whom I trust with my horses life), therefore we are at a standstill...Please do not respond to this post unless it is something positive you can add to it.
    10-30-2008, 11:44 PM
Here's one of many sites I have found about my beloved feed...none of which come close to your estimated 55% NSC....

A New Generation in Feeding
Almost as soon as researchers discovered the links between sugar, starch and
Metabolic disorders, feed companies began to respond with appropriate products to help
Horse owners better feed their horses.
Researchers have discovered feeds high in starches/sugars can also make horses more
Prone to tying up, muscle soreness and ulcers. As well as contributing to poor hoof
Quality, hoof sensitivity and laminitis. In addition, a young horse that is still growing and
May experience developmental orthopedic disease may also benefit from a diet low in
Non-structural carbs (NSC). Recent studies at Virginia Tech proved the propensity to
Rich grain based diets and a high-concentrate diet instead of relying on high fiber, forage
First diets greatly increases the incidence of colic and gastrointestinal disease.
The goal now is to reduce unhealthy sugars, starches and other non-structural
Carbohydrates (NSC) in equine diets that can cause metabolic disturbances and
Imbalances in the digestive system while still providing more than adequate calories and
Some of these feeds may be marketed (for now) as special needs feeds (for seniors, or
Laminitic prone horses, insulin resistance, etc), but a rapidly growing number of vets and
Scientists believe no horse really needs a feed with a NSC level higher than 15-25% and
These feeds are good all around feeds for any horse.
Before deciding which feed is best for your horse it’s helpful to have knowledge of how
The equine digestive tract processes sugars and starches. And too, with one of the
Leading causes of death in horses being laminitis, second only to colic, every horse
Owner should have an understanding of how laminitis can be triggered. You’ll also want
To know which ingredients are generally found in feeds designed to reduce a horse’s
Risk, as well as some guidelines for incorporating these feeds into your overall
Preventative management plan. With this information, this nutritional balancing act will
Be much easier to pull off.
Carbohydrate Control…
Just as with humans, managing carbohydrate intake in a horse’s diet is a good idea.
These are two types of carbohydrates in your horse’s diet:
Non-Structural Carbohydrates (NSC’s) are the sugars and starches inside a plant cell.
The sugars include glucose, fructose and sucrose. Starches are long chains of glucose
And fructose molecules. Fructans are chains of fructose molecules.
With the exception of fructan, NSC’s are primarily digested in the foregut of the horse
(the stomach and small intestine). Enzymatic digestion here quickly breaks down starch
In glucose, the body’s main energy source. This, in turn causes a rapid rise in the
Horses glycemic response-the increase in blood sugar-stimulating the release of
Increased amounts of insulin. Recent research breakthroughs have directly linked high
Blood insulin levels with laminitis. While it may not produce full blown laminitis in some
Horses, it still very well may cause the hooves to become sensitive or appear not as
Healthy (brittle, chip easily, prone to cracks, flat soles rather than concave).
To keep a digestive system healthy in any horse you want to feed in a manner that
Keeps his glycemic response as close to what you’d see with a hay diet or if he were
Getting a natural diet in the wild (which would consist of fairly dry variety of grasses (not
Rich green grass)) ---causing nearly no glycemic response level at all.
The glycemic responses triggered by traditional feeds vary, but corn, oats, barley and
Molasses (the bases of most feeds) create the biggest swings.
Structural Carbohydrates make up the cell wall of plants. The primary structural
Carbohydrates are cellulose and hemicellulose, both referred to more traditionally as
Fiber. These are digested in the hindgut, the cecum, and large intestine. This is where
The horse is designed to have the bulk of its digestion occur and where it is easiest for
The horse to break things down efficiently. The digestive action of the structural carbs,
Which is done by microbes that ferment the fiber, is slower than that of the NSC’s and
Does not appreciably elevate glycemic response. Just as it’s healthier/easier for us to
Process/digest more efficiently the sugars of a piece of fruit compared to that of a piece
Of candy.
Most horses are designed to be able to digest a diet compromised of both types of
Carbs, in varying proportions. However if any horse consumes more NSC’s than his
Foregut can fully metabolize, they spill over into the hindgut, where the sugars are
Fermented by lactic acid producing microbes (this can also contribute to seemingly
Inexplicable tying up or muscle soreness in horses as well as ulcers).
Thus the reason
For the term “Less grain (in lbs.) more hay”.

The resulting increase in acidity of the hindgut leads to digestive disorders…anything
From gas, to colic, to ulcers and all the way to laminitis. Remember if your horse has
Poor feet-thin walls, thin soles, prone to cracks, sensitive, etc., always look at the diet
First; it will almost always be the culprit! Changing the diet up is a good place to start in
Trying to diagnose the root cause of his problems. You’ll need to stick with a diet change
For at least 3 months before you see a noticeable change in the hoof growth and
Remember to make the change slowly over several weeks in order to keep the horse’s
Stomach happy :o)!
So, feeds designed to provide energy and nutrients without the excess NSC’s provide
Calories in forms that maximize healthy hindgut digestion and reduce glycemic response.
There are many feeds that advertise being relatively low in their NSC percentage these
Days. Some examples are:
Triple Crown Low Starch – NSC content – 15%
Nutrena Safe Choice – NSC content – 21%
Buckeye Safe’n Easy Pelleted – NSC content – 11.9%
ADM Alliance SeniorGlo – NSC content – 12%
Seminole Wellness Perform Safe – NSC Content – 9%
Purina Well Solve L/S – NSC Content – less than 11%
By comparison the nonstructural Carbohydrate (NSC) content of typical sweet feed is
67%, oats is 55.7% according to a study published in the May 2007 issue of the Journal
Of Equine Veterinary Science..

    10-31-2008, 07:54 AM
Actually I read new feed Tribute has some types, which suppose to calm down the horse (see Tribute Equine Nutrition - Tribute Kalm 'N EZ Pelleted or Tribute Equine Nutrition - Tribute Kalm 'N EZ Textured)
    10-31-2008, 08:51 AM
Inever said Safe choie was 55% I said hominy!! And that hominy is a corn product!!! Did you also notice it is amost DOUBLE what the other "controlled" starch feeds are??

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