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    05-28-2010, 12:56 PM
  #31
Weanling
The fact that the horse os too full from grazing and eating grain to eat hay is a little disturbing to me. Forage should vastly outweigh grain. I would cut down on the grain and feed the horse as much high quality hay or cubes as the horse can eat. Perhaps she can't chew the hay well- have the dentist out and perhaps try the hay pellets, or just soak the cubes.

I also am a huge advocate of the black oil sunflower seeds. While they are high in omega 6, feeding up to two cups a day has been shown to not have a harmful effect on the horse. I would start on .5 cup per feeding and slowly increase to one cup per feeding. The BOSS is packed with nutrients- you'll get more out of it than straight oil, an the horses really like them. The hull is softer than the shell on oats.
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    05-28-2010, 07:57 PM
  #32
Trained
Hi,

Haven't checked in to this thread for a while, thought I'd make a quick couple of comments more

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Originally Posted by sandy2u1    
I'd like for him to be able to have grain for nutritional purposes, but he just gets so FAT!
Well I've got what for once on this forum for assuming 'grain' meant grain, so will first clarify what I'm talking about is indeed grain, grain based feeds, or high sugar/starch feeds....

I know it's been said before, but needs emphasising... If people really want to feed grain to their horses for whatever reason, please do your homework first **& look at more recent research, not just the traditional stuff**. Despite it being a traditional, still common feed, it is NOT generally a good feed for horses. If ingredients such as this are to be fed, please bother to learn how they effect the horse & how you can minimise the problems it causes. Such as feeding tiny amounts over *at least* a few feeds daily, rather than feeding it only twice or less daily &/or large feeds. Such as learning how it can cause laminitis, Cushings, IR, colic, weightloss....

Now back to OP's above comment - definitely if he's already fat you don't want to feed anything like grain, but yes, they do still need nutritional supps. You can get them 'straight' or in 'ration balancer' pellets, which are often grain based, but you may consider this, depending on the horse, with a type you only have to feed a very tiny amount of.

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a few weeks to look into your recommend supplements and figure out which one will be the best for her. I will be taking money into consideration also when choosing a supplement....not that I would rule out a great supplement because of that, but if I can find a really good one for cheaper,
Again, I know I sound like an ad for them, but I can't recommend highly enough the services & program of Feedxl.com to take the confusion & trial & error out of the question of balancing nutrition. They also have some very cheap sub options, that make using their services potentially only light pocket money, (but they've actually SAVED me money anyway) unless you want to sign up for longer/more horses, etc. I'm sure there are other services such as this out there, if that particular one doesn't suit too.

Re price of supps, yes, don't we all want the cheapest option where possible?? But after analysis of a heap of different supps.... meaning proper analysis, not just going off the packaging, which tends not to be so accurate & invariably paints a 'rosier picture'..... I have come to the conclusion you definitely get what you pay for. BUT I have also found that the more expensive *per package* aren't necessarily that costly. For eg. The feed store guy asked me to sit down when I asked him to order a 'ration balancer' supp called KER Gold Pellet... then told me it was $170 per 20kg bag! I thanked him & went away without ordering After further analysis, I went back to him & told him to sit down... & ordered some! Despite the 'recommended dose' on the bag, thanks to feedxl.com I worked out my horses would need only about half that much - whopping 60g per day; a single handful! - and it amounted to only $1.20 a day for all 3 of them! That is vastly cheaper - & vastly less quantity & calories for my fatties - than anything 'cheaper' would be, not to mention giving them a much better balance of nutrients in one product than any other combination I'd looked at.

Anyway, suppose that's further info to overload your brain! Hopefully it's of some more help to you!

Cheers!
     
    05-29-2010, 02:05 AM
  #33
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The fact that the horse os too full from grazing and eating grain to eat hay is a little disturbing to me. Forage should vastly outweigh grain. I would cut down on the grain and feed the horse as much high quality hay or cubes as the horse can eat. Perhaps she can't chew the hay well- have the dentist out and perhaps try the hay pellets, or just soak the cubes.

She is out on pasture all the time. She is also getting alfalfa cubes in the feed during one feeding, so shouldn't that be enough forage? I also think her appetite has improved. She can easily eat all of her feed now...even with the alfalfa cubes. I think it may have just been that she was getting so much more than she was used to, but IDK that for sure. I do have to be a bit careful not to put to many alfalfa cubes in her feed or she won't eat it, but other than that, she is eating all that we put in front of her. I think she is well on her way to gaining the weight that she needs.

Loosie- My fatty horse is getting Omolene 100...which I'm pretty sure qualifies as grain. He has been only getting 1/4 of a scoop once a day. For the longest time he was getting a full scoop once a day. Then when he gained a significant amount of weight, he got cut down to 1/2. He continued to gain weight, so now it's down to 1/4. I think I may have to take your suggestion and take him off of it altogether. I think what is really overloading my brain is the fact that I'm trying to help one horse gain weight and the other one lose his

     
    05-29-2010, 02:50 AM
  #34
Trained
Hi,

Yep, sorry to say but you're right. Just looked up Omolene & it is not only whole grain(oats are a bit of an exception, but whole grains aren't able to be digested in a horse's stomach) but it also has molasses(extra sugar) & oil(fat) so is quite unsuitable. It also says that it should be fed at least twice daily(good minimum practice) and at 'when fed as directed' (likely a heck of a lot more than you ever fed him), 'provides 100% of the required vitamins and minerals' which is a crock IMO anyway, & the amount you'd want to feed him would mean it's way under 100% anyway.
     
    05-29-2010, 03:19 AM
  #35
Started
Wow ! I have never ever fed him this feed more than one scoop a day and right now he is only getting 1/4 of a scoop once a day. I have been trying so hard to work with his weight problem without cutting out the feed, because I believed it had nutritional benefits. It sounds like in the small amount I am feeding him, it is doing nothing to benefit him. So why the heck am I wasting my time and money? As the saying goes...a fool and their money are easily parted
     
    05-30-2010, 04:05 AM
  #36
Trained
Yeah, frustrating, isn't it?? Don't just take my word for it, esp as all I know about that particular product was of one page of the manufacturer's site, but it's a minefield of a subject I reckon, speaking from experience on lost funds & wasted useless products! That's why I reckon FeedXL.com & related services are such a good idea. I'd just be leery about a nutritional service run by the feed co's tho.
     

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