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post #11 of 35 Old 06-06-2013, 09:01 PM Thread Starter
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It is absolutely a lack of respect for the halter/lead-rope and the handler.

I have inherited (or bought) horses that went ballistic over a Vet or a shot or being dewormed or ???? I got all of them over it. I used a lip chain on some and 4-way hobbles on those that actually struck or attacked a Vet or handler, but they decided that the Vet or a shot was just not that big a deal.

I consider it a life or death matter that horses stand for doctoring or ???. It can be critical that a horse does not go into 'self-destruct mode' when a life-threatening accident or injury occurs.
Actually he is really respectful in the halter. Has his moments but all horses do. He is reacting out of fear. He hates needles.

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Do YOU hate needles , too?
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Just out of curiosity, have you tried a different vet? (assuming there is another good one semi-locally) We have one horse who had a MAJOR injury and was treated by the best vet in the area several years ago. To this day, if that vet shows up to do ANYTHING the horse turns into a raving lunatic (though he doesn't drag anyone, just dances like a fool). I can give him shots and he doesn't flinch, but the vet approaches and its like he thinks he's going to die! The vet, of course, understands the situation and handles it very well, but it is beyond irritating! If your horse has been treated for something painful by that vet, it would be understandable (but not acceptable) for him to react badly to the vet's presence. Also, is there any chance that your vet is under-sedating?
A horse that's properly sedated really shouldn't be dragging you anywhere. I know that one of our horses (an arabian, incidentally) requires more sedative than our other (larger) horses. After finding this out the hard way, his dose has been slightly increased.
He used oral sedative last time. According to the prev owner he has had a bad experience with a certain vet (not mine). Not sure what happened though

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Do YOU hate needles , too?
who doesn't! Actually yes I do hate needles but do not have any problem watching the vet give them or have any issues giving them. I give all my own shots other than rabies

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Just wondering. My Clyde went straight from previous owner's to trainer's when I bought her. I sent my vet over to pull Coggins, and she called me and said the horse tried to take her head off. When she came home, I never had any problem. I figured someone handling her was afraid of the vet. NONE of my dogs, cats or horses have ever had any problem with a vet, because vets do not cause an adrenaline rush in me. Doctors, on the other hand.....

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LOL I am not dismissing the fact that the horse could be a jerk. His past is very suspicious and unknown so that could also be it as well

Then knock the snot out of him, and take back control.

Obviously I am not a vet, but if I were, you'd be looking for a new vet. You have any idea of their income, and the loss of that if your horse hurts them. No that just can't happen. You control your horse.

My horse is good for everything, but just freaked at a sheath cleaning from a vet. He was sedated, and still kicked the stall walls after that. I put a chain over his nose, and twitched him, my hands were everywhere holding it all while he was sedated a second time.

It's ok if you are ok with your horse being dangerous with you, it's not ok if there is someone else involved.
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Then knock the snot out of him, and take back control.

Obviously I am not a vet, but if I were, you'd be looking for a new vet. You have any idea of their income, and the loss of that if your horse hurts them. No that just can't happen. You control your horse.

My horse is good for everything, but just freaked at a sheath cleaning from a vet. He was sedated, and still kicked the stall walls after that. I put a chain over his nose, and twitched him, my hands were everywhere holding it all while he was sedated a second time.

It's ok if you are ok with your horse being dangerous with you, it's not ok if there is someone else involved.
Im NOT ok at all with my horse being dangerous me or anyone else. If I DO smack him or anything he loses his friggin marbles and gets worse. I would rather take the more sympathetic approach than escalate things. Control is NOT a good word to use with horses. Do we really control 1000 lb animals? Heck no. They choose to cooperate with us. You think you can win a physical fight with an animal that can kill you in the blink of an eye without a rifle? Double no. Its not my fault the horse is this way. I have only had him a year. I knew nothing of his issues with the vet until after the sale and after I fell in love with him because the previous owner decided to tell me last minute.

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He is reacting out of fear. He hates needles.
Of course -- but it has become an excuse instead of a reason. Most unacceptable behaviors are rooted somewhere in the past in some fear -- rational or otherwise. That is why I am not interested in the background of any horse I buy or train. I do not ask and would not expect to hear the truth if I did get an answer. You have to deal with and have to train what you have at hand. Psychoanalysis is not necessary. To be an effective trainer / owner / handler, you have to deal with what you have and have to teach new, better, more acceptable behaviors to replace the bad ones.

I do not care if a horse goes bonkers over fly spray, a shot, a dewormer tube, a blanket or a blowing plastic sack. For a horse to be a useful partner and a safe 1000# plus animal to handle and be around, they have to yield to your wishes and demands. If you cannot train them out of the bad behaviors that can put other people in jeopardy, then they should be sold or sent to someone that can fix the problem.

I am not trying to be hateful or harsh, but Vets and Farriers should not have to be trainers or risk life and limb trying to handle horses that have bad manners. When I trained for the public, I cannot count horse many horses were brought to me (or I had to go pick up because they would not load) that were sent because the 3rd or 4th Vet or Farrier had driven off. Training a horse is not their responsibility.
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um yes you do, you never want that horse to learn that it is bigger than you. Control is a great word. When was the last time you saw a lead mare showing a sympathetic approach in the field ?
No you don't need to beat your horse, but you can dang sure exersise control with body language, painful noisy but not injurous corrections, IE smacked in chest with crop, I don't generally need a chain but generally a lead line with a nice brass snap on a rope halter. A good wave of the line wacks them in the chin. But you really do need to watch the videos I mentioned to get it.
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um yes you do, you never want that horse to learn that it is bigger than you. Control is a great word. When was the last time you saw a lead mare showing a sympathetic approach in the field ?
No you don't need to beat your horse, but you can dang sure exersise control with body language, painful noisy but not injurous corrections, IE smacked in chest with crop, I don't generally need a chain but generally a lead line with a nice brass snap on a rope halter. A good wave of the line wacks them in the chin. But you really do need to watch the videos I mentioned to get it.
Ok heres the scenario of last visit. I give him an oral tranq that the vet had me administer when he got there because he wouldn't let him do it. We wait for him to get sleepy. I put him in a rope halter AND a chain. The vet comes towards him and he wakes right up and is pretty much dragging me across the lawn (him flying backwards) while the vet is trying to get blood. No matter what he doesn't calm down or stand still. That's pretty screwed up.

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