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    07-25-2012, 05:56 PM
  #21
Foal
I would soak the shreds in cool water in the summer and then warm water in the winter...I would do a whole bucket and then a few tablespoons of molasses or honey and I may be way off but I think it actually increased her appetite some! Or perhaps it was just that she got it and the boys didn't! Since colic has been in your gals past I suspect the extra water in soaking it can only be a good thing!! The more fluids the better
     
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    07-25-2012, 06:07 PM
  #22
Foal
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Originally Posted by HorsinaroundinFTC    
I would soak the shreds in cool water in the summer and then warm water in the winter...I would do a whole bucket and then a few tablespoons of molasses or honey and I may be way off but I think it actually increased her appetite some! Or perhaps it was just that she got it and the boys didn't! Since colic has been in your gals past I suspect the extra water in soaking it can only be a good thing!! The more fluids the better
Thank you for the ideas!

As she is cushings (we highly suspect anyway), I cannot put any simple sugars in/on her food so molasses/honey are out. I would like to soak pellets (due to concern about colic) and agree that more fluid is better, but she is refusing soaked food/mash/pellets with water covering them at the moment. She is SO skinny that she absolutely must eat, so she is getting dry pellets.

As of this morning, she is back to eager eating (but not bolting) of timothy pellets and Healthy glow. I may try soaking some again and see if I can get her interested in mash. If I can, will add the beet pulp as well (or try beet pulp mash).
     
    07-25-2012, 06:09 PM
  #23
Showing
Easter, they do make beet pulp pellets, if she won't eat it soaked. Mine eat those dry, and I don't worry about choke so much as with the shreds.
     
    07-26-2012, 12:28 AM
  #24
Started
A lot of Beet Pulp has molasses added for palatability. They do have it without the added, but sometimes it's hard to find. I have soaked, drained, rinsed etc when I was not wanting the sugar in it. If the water is brown when you soak, it has molasses in it.
     
    07-26-2012, 01:29 AM
  #25
CCH
Weanling
Have you had a vitamin/ mineral test done? Not the hair pulling, but the blood analysis? There are only a few labs (I think) that have the capability to do it. It is different from a blood chemistry panel. UNiversity of Michigan does mine. I had a horse that the vet could find nothing wrong with, did blood panels, fecal & urine tests, teeth checked, wormed, tubed more than once to force fluids and feed, antibiotics and everything I could throw at him.

Even had our water tested for contamination. Finally I begged to have him checked for toxins from possible contact with flood water, and a vitamin/ mineral panel was all they could really do. Turns out he was severely deficient in some areas and required injected supplementation. 2 days after his first shot, he had his appetite back, after about 6 weeks, he had packed on the pounds to be up to a 3.5/4 on the scale.

The test is cheap, I think it cost me less than $50 with shipping. As long as your horse has normal chem panels, I would say that organ failure isn't *yet* the cause.
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    07-26-2012, 11:00 AM
  #26
Foal
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Originally Posted by CCH    
Have you had a vitamin/ mineral test done? Not the hair pulling, but the blood analysis? There are only a few labs (I think) that have the capability to do it. It is different from a blood chemistry panel. UNiversity of Michigan does mine. I had a horse that the vet could find nothing wrong with, did blood panels, fecal & urine tests, teeth checked, wormed, tubed more than once to force fluids and feed, antibiotics and everything I could throw at him.

Even had our water tested for contamination. Finally I begged to have him checked for toxins from possible contact with flood water, and a vitamin/ mineral panel was all they could really do. Turns out he was severely deficient in some areas and required injected supplementation. 2 days after his first shot, he had his appetite back, after about 6 weeks, he had packed on the pounds to be up to a 3.5/4 on the scale.

The test is cheap, I think it cost me less than $50 with shipping. As long as your horse has normal chem panels, I would say that organ failure isn't *yet* the cause.
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Good idea! This is one thing we have not done. I will ask the vet, I am sure she would be willing.
     
    07-26-2012, 11:27 AM
  #27
Foal
Update appetite now seems good. Apparently on of the potential side effects of the cushings Med is lack of appetite while adjusting to dose. Still not interested in mash, so feeding hay pellets/healthy glow dry. Vet is off today, but going to try 1) fecal again to check for blood and 2) fit/mineral blood panel.

She wants to eat, so that is good. Therefore I am going to give her time to see if she can put on weight w cushings drugs and pelleted feed. I am not supper hopeful, but at least she seems bright and happy again.
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    07-26-2012, 01:39 PM
  #28
Foal
My guess is its her teeth, somewhere in there is a sharp tooth affecting her tongue. My then 39 yo appy/pony was off hay/food had vet do her teeth and found the back of her tongue was so badly cut up she had ulcers. They filed her teeth and slowly, with mouth wash/warm water she got better. She is now 41 and she can't tolerate the dentist thing due to tranqs she has to get. But we soak her hay stretcher with plenty of water she sucks all the nutrients out of the really good hay she has at all times in her stall. She has a separate area so can come and go as she pleases. She gets sliced apples every night cord/peeled for better chewing. I hope you find out whats happening. I have a postive/negative cushings mini pony and boy is that a pain. But obviously there is something going on in the mouth if her tongue is very swollen.
     
    07-26-2012, 11:43 PM
  #29
Foal
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Originally Posted by laturcotte    
My guess is its her teeth, somewhere in there is a sharp tooth affecting her tongue. My then 39 yo appy/pony was off hay/food had vet do her teeth and found the back of her tongue was so badly cut up she had ulcers. They filed her teeth and slowly, with mouth wash/warm water she got better. She is now 41 and she can't tolerate the dentist thing due to tranqs she has to get. But we soak her hay stretcher with plenty of water she sucks all the nutrients out of the really good hay she has at all times in her stall. She has a separate area so can come and go as she pleases. She gets sliced apples every night cord/peeled for better chewing. I hope you find out whats happening. I have a postive/negative cushings mini pony and boy is that a pain. But obviously there is something going on in the mouth if her tongue is very swollen.
Her tongue is not swollen in an "impacted" or ulcer kind of way. The whole tongue is large/swollen like you would expect with an allergic reaction (although did not respond to tri-hist). When vet scoped her, no signs of red spots, ulterations, rubs, site-specific swelling or anything on tongue/in mouth. All looked like normal, healthy tissue. Tongue is just enlarged to the point where space between tongue and roof of mouth is small. Vet said tongue swelling can happen with lymph node swelling, especially as things drain. Also possible with nutrient deficiency (also a possibility give her body condition). She seems to be swallowing better, but tongue is still enlarged.
     
    07-26-2012, 11:52 PM
  #30
Foal
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Originally Posted by Appyt    
A lot of Beet Pulp has molasses added for palatability. They do have it without the added, but sometimes it's hard to find. I have soaked, drained, rinsed etc when I was not wanting the sugar in it. If the water is brown when you soak, it has molasses in it.
Thanks!
     

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