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post #1 of 10 Old 12-29-2013, 09:49 AM Thread Starter
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Question What do you Do To Help With Ulcers?

I have a mare that potentially has EMS and had an ulcer which I believe has reappeared due to symptoms. I treated her ulcer with ulcerguard at the preventative dose for a month thanks to a vet's mistake but then with ulcerguard at the treatment dose (same as gastroguard) for the full regime. Then gave her another preventative dose per medication's recommendations to prevent recurrence. Her meds ended about a month or so ago (guessing as she's boarded with a friend while I'm trying to find her an appropriate forever home for her circumstances). She's also on the Smartpak to help with preventing recurrence too. For those of you with experience in dealing with ulcers...how do you help the situation? Is there something you feed to help? I should mention due to her health we cannot do alfalfa, grains, etc.
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post #2 of 10 Old 12-29-2013, 10:22 AM
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I can speak to a horse with EMS (meaning Equine Metabolic Syndrome:) that has hind gut ulcers.

He colicked nine times in 2012; I almost lost him on the first big colic.

I put him on "Succeed" - it's about $3/day. He gets a physical twice yearly and every time the vet says I got lucky and I'd better keep him on the Succeed.

He is now 26. I find feeding three small meals a day helps a lot.

He mainly gets a lot of feed pan forage. He's one of those metabolic horses that can handle alfalfa so he gets well mushed timothy/alfalfa cubes.

One pound of rice bran daily because the disease causes him to lose weight

1/2 cup daily of Omega-3 Horseshine

During the winter I feed him a really potent condensed liquid vit/min supplement that only requires one ounce daily. In the hot months I change him to McCauley's M-10 balancer that is grain and soy-free. The liquid supplement has molasses base which, he handles very well in the winter but it's too much once Spring grass comes on.

The EMS also exploded his hock/ankle arthritis so he gets a dose of Lubrisyn/daily for that.

But the bottom line for his hind gut ulcers is "Succeed" for the rest of his life.

Hope this helps

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Free choice pasture/hay, my mare's cleared up in about three weeks

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Papaya is a natural stomach soother that you can feed in a pulp form
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Slow feed hay net if stalled or not very good grass, and SmartDigest Ultra or SmartGut Ultra (I'm not a rep, but the SmartPak stuff has helped with my gelding who is ulcer prone)

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Free choice pasture/hay, my mare's cleared up in about three weeks
That's a good Rule of Thumb if the horse does not have metabolic issues.

If by "potentially EMS" the OP means Equine Metabolic Syndrome, that means insulin issues and the horse cannot have free choice hay or pasture.

I have had to cut both my metabolic horses back to a maximum of 10 hours pasture time but more likely they get 7-1/2 to 8 hours. Just lovely as it means more hay and more stuff to muck out of the stalls

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I can speak to a horse with EMS (meaning Equine Metabolic Syndrome:) that has hind gut ulcers.

He colicked nine times in 2012; I almost lost him on the first big colic.

I put him on "Succeed" - it's about $3/day. He gets a physical twice yearly and every time the vet says I got lucky and I'd better keep him on the Succeed.

He is now 26. I find feeding three small meals a day helps a lot.

He mainly gets a lot of feed pan forage. He's one of those metabolic horses that can handle alfalfa so he gets well mushed timothy/alfalfa cubes.

One pound of rice bran daily because the disease causes him to lose weight

1/2 cup daily of Omega-3 Horseshine

During the winter I feed him a really potent condensed liquid vit/min supplement that only requires one ounce daily. In the hot months I change him to McCauley's M-10 balancer that is grain and soy-free. The liquid supplement has molasses base which, he handles very well in the winter but it's too much once Spring grass comes on.

The EMS also exploded his hock/ankle arthritis so he gets a dose of Lubrisyn/daily for that.

But the bottom line for his hind gut ulcers is "Succeed" for the rest of his life.

Hope this helps

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My mares weight is under control so we are ok there. Which succeed product do you use? The retail version or vet formula?
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I had to move her as I do mean metabolic syndrome. She is now on a dry lot with a round bale and gets beet pulp with her smartpak each day.
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My mares weight is under control so we are ok there. Which succeed product do you use? The retail version or vet formula?
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I had to go to the website as when I started using Succeed (in May, 2012) they didn't have a veterinary formula - lollol

I still use the original version and that's $104 for a 30 day supply. I shudder to think what the veterinary version might cost

Do you have a net on her round bale? I'm pretty sure they make slow feed nets for round bales.

Even if she shares with another horse, it wouldn't hurt that horse, unless it's a really hard keeper or has teeth issues.

Plus I think they slow the waste down, too

Just a piece of insulin trivia that I am only repeating so you will know to watch.

When my second IR horse was diagnosed in 2010, I was whining this is my second horse and what am I doing wrong?

My vet commented he has a mare that's been on a dry lot for a couple years (I think he said three years, at that time) and he told me she STILL gets sore feet every single spring.

I asked him if she was getting fed something she shouldn't when he wasn't looking. He was insistent that he leaves strict orders as to how she is to be fed.

I wouldn't mention this if you had a gelding but it may be a quirky thing that might be associated with mares and spring time.

There also may be a perfectly logical feeding answer but nobody's telling him because they don't want fired (meaning feeding her wrong after all).

Keep a close eye for any subtle warning signs that make you think "no, she can't be, she's in a dry lot".

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My mare is on smartgut ultra currently with a round bale. Her weight seems to be doing good but I have pegged 2 things that may be related to her aggravated ulcer. Beet pulp has molasses in it even though I was told originally it didn't have any and she received some banamine as a possible colic incident but the symptoms of ulcer and colic are closely related and I think her ulcer has flared up. Much thanks to whoever shared the ulcer video Equine Ulcer Diagnosis by Mark DePaolo, DVM - YouTube. She was exhibiting all the worst signs such as that of the worst horse in the video. Sadly she was treated incorrectly by my vet which allowed things to worsen :( But I have found a new vet and hopefully we can get this resolved.
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