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post #11 of 27 Old 05-22-2009, 07:55 PM Thread Starter
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Sorry - Nashville is only about 45 minutes from me, I'm closer to the KY border but it's all good. I'll do what's necessary to make sure my horses are healthy.

I would like to get my hands on a test though.

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post #12 of 27 Old 05-22-2009, 07:57 PM
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Peggy I strongly disagree especially when it comes to young horses. Now if you have 100 acres of prime pasture that has never been overgrazed you are probably okay. But the majority of horses now are kept in small acreage farms and do not have access to prime pastureland.

If you have an ADULT idle horse that does nothing you can probably skip grain. But the majority will need it.

I have never seen a young growing horse that got enough protein and fat from hay alone. I just brought back 5 shetland yearling fillies home from a farm that does have 100 acres of pasture and that's all these girls had. While they are not in terrible shape they definitely lack bloom and substance. I have now started them on grain and they are much better looking already.

I will say in my years of experience I see way more thin horses then I do fat horses. And usually the person mistakes the bloated belly for the horse being fat and cuts them even further. Most bloated bellies are caused by the horse not getting enough protein.

I do feel that Equine Sr and Jr are great feeds for horses. Not all feeds are created equal for sure!

Aussie if you email me your shipping address I will send you a test no charge. Just be sure to follow teh directions exactly! If you need help just email kay@baxterspaintedpasture.com
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My 300# pony rescue went on Stablenergy (not spelled right) from TSC and I also slowly added dac Bloom. I was on another forum where a mini foal was recently born with horrible tendon issues from a selenium deficiency and had to be euthanized.

They need vitamins and minerals just like the big guys and they don't roam enough varied pasture land to get what they need just like the big guys. Hay loses nutrient values the longer it stands and it already varies based on the maturity of the grass when cut.

Best option is to get hay that is tested for nutrient content and at the very least get a good pasture balancer. My girl blossomed (without getting fat) on 1lb AM/PM of the TSC feed with 1/2 scp of dac bloom AM/PM and plain coastal hay. We have very little grass and she gets turned out in the evening.

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weefoal I think you are making the same mistake many of us have/do which is confust nutrition with calories... nutrition levels must be HIGH enough for growth and delevelopement while not putting too much wieght and keep the balance where it needs to be

I have been called the NSC Nazi more then once ... I hate traditional feed methods of loading our horses up on grains and junk food :)
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Peggy all I know is what works for us and what I have seen over the years what does not work. I have also studied nutrition for years.

To say that the horse in question only needs good pasture and or hay is a huge mistake in my book. Especially if she is in foal.

Barrell brings up a great point and I also saw that thread where the foal was selenium deficient which is a huge problem in mares and foals where they only get pasture and or hay. Its just not enough.

We do only buy from a hay farmer that tests his hay so we know exactly what is in it. Its invaluable but so many don't bother. I am a huge believer in NOT over supplementing or over feeding but when it comes to young growing horses, mares in foal or horses that are working/showing there is no way getting around feeding a good quality grain
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I had a AQHA mare come to me that way and I put her on Nutrena Vitality and BOSS plus hay. Within a month she looked a hundred times better. I'm wondering if I should do the same with Timber.
Ponies are prone to founder. I would NOT put her on any sweet feed or grain. If you want to give her something, use alfalfa pellets and a fat supplement (like oil, flax, or rice bran), along with a vitamin/mineral supplement. That will give her plenty of calories and nutrients, without the sugar and starch that can cause founder and colic.

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I don't want her to go into shock but I pretty much agree with lustoride1979. Ponies almost seem to live on air and seldom need any grain just good forage and this pony while a little thin isn't close to being skinny. I'd rather see it 100 lbs underweight then 100 lbs over weight.



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Peggy I strongly disagree especially when it comes to young horses. Now if you have 100 acres of prime pasture that has never been overgrazed you are probably okay. But the majority of horses now are kept in small acreage farms and do not have access to prime pastureland.
Peggy recommended a ration balancer, which IS grain. It's a super-concentrated grain/supplement that provides all the nutrients from 5-7 lbs of sweet feed in just 1-2 lbs of an RB, including high levels of amino acids.

Given the right hay though, I have never seen a pony or mini that needed grain, ever. My aunt raises minis and tri-color Hackney ponies. Only her seniors or breeding studs get grain to keep their weight up. The rest, pasture pets or light-working animals get just hay and free choice minerals.
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You all are awesome thank you so much for taking the time to reply to my post!

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I would never recommend anyone feed any horse sweet feed ever. I recommended that she get a good complete pelleted feed like equine sr or equine adult.

Again I have never foundered a pony or a mini ever.

Obviously for the mare in question pasture and hay was not enough or she wouldnt look like this :)

I know in my years in our rescue http://www.chancesminihorserescue.org the majority of minis and ponies we take in are way too thin. Its very rare that we get one that is too fat. And the majority that foundered did it because they were put on lush grass and it was too much.

I am not saying every single mini or pony has to have grain but the majority at some point will need it. IMO the horse posted definitely needs it and especially if she's in foal.

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