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post #11 of 21 Old 11-03-2012, 11:40 AM
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I don't have anything new to add - everything I thought of was already covered. Good luck! He could have a bit of stem stuck somewhere.

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post #12 of 21 Old 11-04-2012, 04:23 PM
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It almost seems like our furbabies know when we are going away-No Mom, don't leave me! I need you here! You have an appt-go & have fun on your W/E!
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post #13 of 21 Old 11-06-2012, 04:54 PM Thread Starter
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I took P to the Vet hospital at Mizzou, they looked in his mouth and were surprised that it was all black. I told them what the DVM/dentist had said about something making horse’s mouth black this time of the year.
They looked it up on the internet and couldn't find much on it.
The DVM suspected that P's irritation was due to whatever was making his tongue black, she also found that P's tongue was thick and hard at the base.
He also had a lesion on the side of his tongue, not from a teeth issue, she said his teeth were fine, not a point in sight.

They took two biopsies of the tongue, one at the thickened base and one on the lesion, results back by Friday. They scraped off some of the black and sent it to be looked at to see if it is plant material or cells from the horse.
I need to rinse his mouth out 3X a day with an antiseptic rinse for 5 days, give him 1 gram of Bute 2x a day for 3 days and they sent me home.

This is what they saw in his mouth, the flakes in the first photo are the scrapings from the roof of his mouth.
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post #14 of 21 Old 11-06-2012, 05:05 PM
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SO sorry your baby is sick!! **hugs**
MY first knee jerk response was strangles, but the black stuff doesn't fit THAT. I wonder if he found something that tasted good, but was burnt. Does his turnout but up against a road where someone might have thrown something out that he found and ate?
You know how dogs and cats will consume antifreeze bc it smells and tastes sweet? I think he ate something that had been burnt bc it tasted good, then got it caught in the back of his mouth. We just butchered and ate one of our roosters, and I coughed up a small bone--maybe he had a similar experience.
Here's praying that it's just an isolated incident, and some TLC and maybe penicillin or another drug will fix it. And, yes, I KNOW that horses can choke but their espahagus is in a different tube.

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post #15 of 21 Old 04-16-2013, 11:50 PM
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Did you ever update this? How is you're horse?
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post #16 of 21 Old 04-16-2013, 11:57 PM
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Yes, I'd like to know too! I've never seen anything like that before and am very curious about it.
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post #17 of 21 Old 04-17-2013, 09:56 PM
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I would also like to know if anything was ever found out. That's a very curious set of symptoms. Very curious indeed.

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post #18 of 21 Old 04-17-2013, 10:56 PM
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I am a friend of hers and it cleared up and he is fine I don't think she gets notifications when someone posts on her to thread
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post #19 of 21 Old 04-17-2013, 11:28 PM
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Different weeds show up at different times of the year and get blown into different areas, so just because you didn't plant it and it wasn't growing there last year, doesn't mean it won't show up in your pasture. Bird poop has been known to sow different things in different areas as well as the wind, etc. However I would stick with an official diagnosis because speculation is just that, SPECULATION. One spring, my then young gelding got a quarter sized swelling on his face. The vet examined him, lanced it (nothing drained) & took a sample for testing. By the time we got the results, the swelling was almost gone. Then fast forward to last spring, again another swelling on the same horse but on different spot, up by his throatlatch, however, this time I got the exact same thing on my neck. Both of our swellings disappeared in a week, strange but I think it's enviromental. Anyways, would sure like to know the cause of your horse's swelling in his mouth.
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post #20 of 21 Old 04-18-2013, 09:15 AM Thread Starter
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After I took P to the university, they really had no idea what the problem was.
The University did do a biopsy of the lesions on the tongue, it came back neg. for cancer, Yea!
So after talking to the DVM dentist some more, the conclusion was a certain type of weed he was eating,that he had a bad reaction to. The dentist has seen this a lot, usually in the fall of the year.

I just took P to the DVM dentist Friday and we talked about it again, When he looked at P's mouth there were just a few specks of the black way in the back of his mouth. The dentist said the plant usually causes no to slight irritation in a horses mouth, but that P had a more severe reaction to it.

I have never seen a horse's mouth black like that, and he said that the drought might have had something to do with it. Since the drought was so bad last year I did not cut the pasture grass at all past June 1st, So the plant might have been able to grow last year where it was never able to grow before. I will be cutting the grass this year, drought or no drought.

As a side note, this black mouth thing, coincided with me buying a new bit for P.
And I attributed all of his attitude and discomfort to the black mouth. Well this spring I also figured out he hates the new bit. I took the new bit to the dentist with me on Fri, and we put it in P's mouth when he was sedated with the speculum in his mouth, to see how it fit. And the bit did not sit in his mouth very well at all. P was able to hold it fine, but the bit wanted to rock forward, putting pressure on his tongue.

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