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    03-06-2011, 04:36 AM
  #11
Weanling
So is windsucking the same as cribbing?
     
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    03-06-2011, 04:39 AM
  #12
Weanling
^^Yes.
     
    03-06-2011, 09:24 AM
  #13
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by whitetrashwarmblood    
I've always thought that ulcers were one of the causes of it. I could be wrong tho...

I've taken care of three cribbers in my life. Two of them were OTTBs, and one was a QH gelding. I think once they figure out how to crib, it becomes an addiction. Even if they no longer have ulcers or are bored, they still like to crib. The OTTB mare I took care of (who was a cribber) was bred once she was healthy, had a colt, and he's now 6 years old and has never cribbed or tried to in his life.
It wouldn't surprise me though that horses that are stuck in a stall most of the day learn this behavior.
Ulcers and cribbing are cause by the same things but not by each other. Cribbing and wood chewing are habitual. So they will continue to do them.
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Originally Posted by Brookside Stables    
Our 4yo mare started cribbing a year ago, we had bought her 6 months before it started.

It was not a learned behavior as no other horse on the property cribs. It is also not a boredom issue, as she is either worked or turned out daily.

She only cribs on certain things so we stear clear of those area, she also never chews.

The vet checks her teeth every 6 months for damage, so far there is none. If she starts to damage her teeth we will put a grazing muzzle on her when she is most proned to cribbing, but so far we are able to avoid those places.

I owned another cribber as a teenager. He cribbed when we bought him and his teeth were horrible even at 5 years of age. He was a spectacular event horse and we dealt with his 'addiction.'
I'm not trying to start anything, but just help find out what may have caused it.

You say she is turned out daily, but for how long? She can be bored in a stall. If she finishes her hay quickly, what else is she to do for the rest of the time? When it started, was there something that caused her stress or anxiety? A new horse next to her or a horse that left? She may have cribbed before, but the change in owner or the new setting culd have been enough stimulation for her not to crib. Just some ideas.
     
    03-06-2011, 01:22 PM
  #14
Started
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Originally Posted by Brookside Stables    
Cribbing is when a horse grabs onto an object and sucks air, it makes a very distinct sound. A horse that's chews actuals breaks off or chews the wood. A horse can be a cribber and chewer but they are two seperate habits.

A cribbing collar works by cutting off the windpipe so not allowing the horse to suck in the air, which is how they get their 'high'.
in my experience, the cribbing collars don't work anyway. They may make it more difficult for the horse to crib, but if the horse is going to do it he's going to do it. My OTTB is that way. He will crib on anything and everything. The best way i've learned to manage it (after years of trying everything I could think of including electrifying fences and cribbing collars) was to give him the most "natural" environment to live in, as much hay to eat during the day as he'd like and an ulcer supplement. It's toned down how much he cribs but he still does it. Having talked to various horse professionals about his cribbing, they all agreed - nothing will make him stop. Just try to address any underlying issues and go from there.
     
    03-06-2011, 01:57 PM
  #15
Yearling
I agree with making his environment as natural as you can. That is something I am working on with my cribber as well. I would have to disagree with the collars not working though. I use the miracle collar on my mare and unless you are not putting it tight enough it should work. They do have to be really tight, the strap in the front does anyway. But whenever they lower their head the collar loosens so if they ever want relief from the pressure they just have to put their head down. When I first put the collar on I set it on the hole I thought was tight enough but ended up moving two holes tighter to get her to stop. IMO that is better than the damage they can do to their teeth and the colic it can cause. I give her breaks from the collar whenever I am there and she doesn't mind when I put it back on. I know they say it can't be cured but there are still those that say it can, it will just take a lot of dedication to making sure she never does it.
     
    03-06-2011, 05:15 PM
  #16
Started
I have to disagree with the miracle collar. Had one of those for my boy and it did not make a difference no matter how tight you put it. If anything, even with the sheepskin covers for it he still got rubs and has only now grown back some of his forelock that was rubbed off from the miracle collar. And again, discussing it with multiple vets and other horse professionals, they all agreed - no point in the collar as it won't actually stop them. I have my boys teeth checked semi-annually and thus far he's been good. Is there some degree of "damage" or wear to his front teeth? Yes. But does it adversely affect him? Nope.

I'm sure it's a different situation for every horse/owner but with my horse and with the horses i've dealt with/cared for in the past. The collars were pointless. They're solely a deterrent but not a solution.
     
    03-06-2011, 05:16 PM
  #17
Started
Also - i've never come across an instance of a horse colicing due to cribbing. Is there research to prove that point?
     
    03-06-2011, 05:51 PM
  #18
Yearling
Well the collar does actually stop my horse from cribbing. She used to be a cronic cribber and I don't ever see her do it with it on, so I'm pretty sure she couldn't even if she wanted to. As far as the colic, it is one of those things that people have a lot of oppinions on, just like cribbing being contagous or genetic, or that they can cause ulcers. It just seems like common sense to me. What happens when you swallow a lot of air? You burp. What happens if you can't burp? You get an upset stomach. I would rather not risk it.
     
    03-10-2011, 05:06 PM
  #19
Foal
I have a TB gelding that was bought off of the racetrack. He is 6 years old now and his cribbing is an on going battle for me everyday. He has snapped out fence several times. He is bound and determined to crib on anything and everything. He will crib on his lead rope when tied up and try to when he is being led.

I bought the Miracle Collar which works just like a cribbing collar except there is an additional strap that goes in front of the ears so that it cannot slide down there neck like the regular cribbing collars. This worked great for about a week and a half. I started noticing that he was losing his hair where the collar was. I started putting medication on the areas, cleaning the collar daily.

Then he figured out how to slide the strap in front of his ears down by rubbing his head against trees and such. I've recently covered the collar with wool coverings that is sold for it. I have tightened it as tight as it will go and I also leave his halter on him and tie it to the halter so that it cannot be rubbed off of his head.

I am up for any suggestions that could help with my problem as it is frustrating. My only other option that I have been debating is buying a muzzle and putting it on him. I don't like him losing his hair. He is a beautiful horse.
     
    03-10-2011, 09:04 PM
  #20
Started
My horse cribbed with the miracle collar with the wool covers and still rubbed hair off. Nothing stopped him from cribbing. Just like your boy jager will crib on anything and everything including the rope he's tied with, brush in his pasture (the fence is electric), buckets, tubs - ANYTHING. The best i've found to do is to manage everything else about their life (diet, exercise, etc.) to make them as happy as possible and that will lessen the cribbing but, at least in my case, there is no way he's ever going to stop. It's more a matter of managing the "damage" than anything else.

Just my two cents.
     

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