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post #21 of 46 Old 09-15-2013, 09:59 PM Thread Starter
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Hey Cherie! While speaking with my vet from the school today he said that narcolepsy in horses is VERY rare. He assured me that if Whiskey had narcolepsy it would have shown up before now.

They seem to think it is a herd/pain thing keeping him from laying down. Hes under observation tonight and if he sleeps and does fine without any episodes tomorrow they will assume its herd related and we will look further into that. If he does not sleep even while stalled they are going to do lameness exams to see if they can figure out what is causing him pain.

Fingers crossed its a herd thing. I havent seen him give any indication of pain and he is not off at all.
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post #22 of 46 Old 09-15-2013, 10:27 PM Thread Starter
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I just want to throw out there that I REALLY know how to pick the horses obviously <--- sarcasm. Its now become a running joke that If I love a horse run away as fast as possible because it's probably got 10 zillion issues just waiting to come say hey.

This is so frustrating
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post #23 of 46 Old 09-15-2013, 10:37 PM
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So sorry you're having issues with Whiskey! I know one horse that I swear does have narcolepsy, I've actually seen her fall head first into a wall before I'm glad they've calmed your nerves about that. Hopefully it's just a herd dynamic that's relatively simple to deal with rather than pain somewhere.. Fingers crossed for you!
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I know a TB who has similar issues. Not sure if when they sold him he got put in a bigger pen or not, but he was a HUGE TB, 18h and built like a WB, and I think his stall was too small, and being used to the track, not padded enough, and hate to say it, but owner was a cheapskate, and wouldn't get enough shavings for him, and claimed he had no problem, but EVERY morning without fail, I'd go out to feed, and I would watch him literally fall on his face. On the couple of occasions the owner did decide to buck up and get some shavings, he was a bit better, but I still wouldn't ride him or deal with him because it wasn't worth it. The vet did blood work and stuff and said that he was fine in that regard, so it had to be sleep related. I personally never saw that horse lie down, and I watch all the others, including my incredibly skittish Arab lie down and sleep at some point during the day/night. I hope there's just something maybe coming around preventing him from feeling safe enough to lie down, and that you can figure it out so your poor guy can get some good rest. I didn't see anything posted, and I know it's not your guy's issue, but apparently some horses can't actually lock their knees properly, and so often tend to fall as they are trying to sleep standing up. Thought that was quite interesting. Good luck, and keep us updated.
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post #25 of 46 Old 09-15-2013, 11:07 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks amp and dressagebell! When we first moved him to my barn almost 3 months ago, my vet did caution me to keep a close eye to see how he transitioned to being out since he had previously spent AT LEAST 22 hours each day in his stall.

He was doing great and seemed really happy so I had stopped monitoring him (anymore than I would normally do) for signs of not sleeping or another form of distress a few weeks ago.

I did notice today as I was loading him up in the trailer to take him to the school that he has a lot of bite marks on him that weren't there before. He is usually "top dog" but I have also noticed that without his shoes (especially on the harder ground with rocks near their water tubs and such" he has a more meek and mild personality which is new for him. He tries to pick a fight and then cant move over the rocks in a hurry so he gets beat up.

My theory is that hopefully when he gets his shoes back Tuesday perhaps he will feel better and more secure. I will also have a stall set up for when he comes home so we can also try that route.

I just hadnt thought that sore feet might make him insecure, but I guess it is a possibility. I always think- foot sore - the horse will be laying down. But if he feels like he cant move away quick due to being foot sore - would that keep him from laying down? Since he wouldnt want to add to the extra time he takes to get around?
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post #26 of 46 Old 09-16-2013, 12:45 PM
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Bailey my horse has Narcolepsy this is what she does if she is standing and not moving she has streched out/almost fallen a few times. It is so much worse in the hot summer then in winter. She is my main riding horse and has never fallen asleep with me on her
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post #27 of 46 Old 09-16-2013, 07:16 PM Thread Starter
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Well my vet called me today and said As soon as they got him in a stall he laid down and conked out. Has been sleeping most of the day abd will get up for an hour or two and then may back down and sleep. So they think its a herd thing. He's going to come home tomorrow and go into a private paddock until I can figure out the herd situation. Ill put Drifter up with him so he won't be alone.

I am glad it is nothing too serious but poor guy. To be that exhausted! I feel awful for him
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Aww! Whats his living arrangements at home? 24/7 pasture/paddock? In at nightand out during the day? Is he stalled by a buddy he doesn't like?
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Can you keep him with Drifter only if it works out? Or stall him for the night.
I've noticed me then herd of three were all flat out on pasture late morning, after 5 days of rain. They had overhanging trees as shelter, but obviously this wasn't secure enough to actually sleep, so as soon as it had stopped raining they caught up. Since seeing that I get them in for the night should it rain for more than a day. Even in summer.
Glad you found the problem and now can solve it
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post #30 of 46 Old 09-16-2013, 07:43 PM Thread Starter
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He is out 24/7 in a pasture with some other geldings. About 120 acres overall, and around 16 horses all together. He is usually the instigator and never seems to get picked on and has two close buddies he usually hangs out with who are very attached to him. They are the three amigos of the group and usually run everyone else wild. He is king of their little band. Maybe he is afraid the other horses will seek revenge at night if he lays down- ha.

Before he came to me he was never out, so that could be the problem. I might have to start stalling him at night to see if that will help. He was up in a stall for a few days sick last month and he weaved and paced and kicked the wall so I figured he didn't like being in there and once he was better - out to 24/7 turn out he went.

If I dont stall him at night maybe I could put him in a private lot instead during the night with my other horse. They arent particularly close but Whiskey can definitely boss Drifter around and not vice versa
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