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    01-14-2012, 11:37 AM
Pete Ramey writes about white line disease thrush navicular disease hoof balance

Amazing article on WLD and WLS. I like the approach that Pete takes here, using diet, environment and a good basic rolled trim. He also goes into (great) detail about why WLS happens. Its a little lengthy (you should see his videos! LOL) but worth the read.
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    01-14-2012, 06:24 PM
I read it, very informative. I can't help but feel like the wet conditions near the water trough in her pasture are the culprit though...being that she's never had this happen until now, and it happens right after she gets moved there. Her diet has nothing in it that could cause it. It's very low fat, and she gets nearly no grain. Just enough to feed with her supplement. Plenty of hay.

She was overweight from being on 24/7 pasture, which I did because she had just come from a barn where she was in for 20 hours a day and it was driving her nuts. She started to get a little too pudgey, so I took her off that and had her be in 12 hours, out 12. She gets plenty of exercise (3-4 days a week moderate and correct work), so she's also building muscle as she loses weight.

Either that or the trim is bad. I've tried to educate myself more on feet, but I keep hearing all sorts of different opinions. If it's a bad trim though, I would love to know so I can try to find a better farrier. I'll get more pictures of her feet so maybe you guys can help me.
    01-14-2012, 06:34 PM
Lots of knowledgeable people on here...and we all seem to be freaks that like to look at feet! LOL How old is the trim in the previous pictures?
    01-14-2012, 11:25 PM
About a week and a half, give or take.
    01-14-2012, 11:38 PM
Well, to me, a non-expert, those feet need a better roll to the wall. There is a significant flare on both fronts. The wet conditions aren't helping things but this flat footed trim isn't helping either. Right now, it appears as if the outer wall is the primary weight bearer. With white line separation, I would like to roll that wall to distribute the weight a little more evenly.

Again, I am not an expert, I'll leave that to Missy and Loosie. I just think that this trim isn't helping. I wouldn't necessarily tell the farrier to go...maybe just ask if he could round things off a bit more.
    01-14-2012, 11:48 PM
I will do that...last time they said to me, "If we take off any more, she'll bleed"...so I suppose if that really was the case that was all the flare they could take off.

They've only been doing her since October though. I honestly haven't had too many trims I've been happy with since I've had Amber, although I must say her feet have improved greatly since I bought her despite this. She's been barefoot about a year and a half.
    01-15-2012, 06:37 PM
She won't bleed by increasing the roll on the wall. Perhaps look at giving her some Hoffman's minerals, if she doesn't get them already. They made a huge difference for my mare.
    01-18-2012, 04:50 AM

Need other angle pics to tell much about balance, flaring, etc. But it does look as though the quarters have been left a bit long for what she wants - farriers often do a flat trim from heel to toe instead of following the sole plane. As that's where the problems are, I'd take these areas right back, roll them well & if necessary, open them up a bit, to better treat them.

It's hard to tell from that angle pic, but it does look like there is very little if any wall height above the sole at heels & toes and continuing to rasp the ground surface of a thin soled hoof can indeed end in blood. But bevelling the disconnected/stretched wall to approximately where the (rolled) healthy footprint would be will help relieve the flaring & enable it to grow out without touching the sole depth or otherwise getting close to live tissue.

You mention the excess toe wear is normal for the horse, which could indicate heel sensitivity. It's important to treat thrush here, including cutting off any daggy or diseased frog tissue, but otherwise I think the frog's best left alone & the way it's been carved, if that is a regular thing, could make her 'tippy toe'.

If the vast majority of your paddock is dry, I wouldn't think one puddle is a problem at all.
    01-18-2012, 07:37 AM
She drags the toe, but doesnt tip toe. Her self carriage is completely differnent from pasture to under saddle!
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