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post #31 of 96 Old 12-29-2010, 12:16 AM
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Here's a picture of one of the places I have boarded at/worked in Montana:


You can see rows and rows of those types of 'stalls' they're really common and not make-shift at all. The hill and other surroundings give them a decent wind break and they're perfectly acceptable to me. It also doesn't look small. There is plenty of room there to move around and lay down.

The pictures looked like a warm climate maybe new mexico, arizona, or something like that. The water who knows. I'm not going to judge off those pictures.

I pictured like 2 feet of manure or something but I don't see that picture as being very bad. I don't think you have a leg to stand on for any sort of abuse case.

As far as the stall being not picked out or injuries, I guess that's why it's so important to read your contract and ask questions before you sign. Better luck at your next place.
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Horse keeping in CA, TX, and AZ is nothing like how it's done in other parts of the country.
You're tellin me!!!! So last year when I was in AZ, everyonce in a while I would see this little black horse...she would have tack on, so I thought, oh she got rid of her rider...I would try to catch her up but she would take off. Then one day I saw her out near another neighbor horse's paddock...she was there the entire day...I had decided if the owners didn't come and get her before nightfall I would try and catch her up, and put her in our extra pen. Nightfall came, and she was still out there, so I grabbed a bucket of feed and hoped for the best. Caught her, and put her up...only to be told later by some of the other folks who lived at the school that owners would just let their horses run in the winter...nice huh?

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Who doesn't clean stalls allowing manure to build up to feed on to prevent colic.

Horses board at this ranch; 1) have no shelter from the deser sun ever; 2) stand in the stall all day; 3) are not turned out unless requested by boarder; 4) feed only alfalfa and water/ no salt blocks!
IS IT ILLEGAL TO HAVE NOT COVER/SHELTER?

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It's a good thing you left if you didn't agree with it.

How many hours are the horses in these "stalls" daily?

The bigger issue to me is that the "stall" has no roof, and walls that provide no protection. I don't understand the point of that. It's not a shelter, so there's no reason to bring the horse into it, unless it's just to feed and turn right back out.
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No it's not illegal.

So if the horses are in the "desert sun" why exactly are you whining about the lack of a water heater!!??

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no water warmer
The "desert sun" should be making the water nice and warm.
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It's less ideal, but I'm fairly certain it's not illegal. The horse needs feed and water.
They do not need salt blocks and there are plenty of horses fed just alfalfa.
All the horses shown in the pictures look to be of decent weight and coat condition.

What does the boarding contract say?
If the care is not up to par, the boarder has the option of leaving

You could always call your ASPCA

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If this is out in the desert, it could be they don't actually need the salt licks; I know the area I was at in AZ last year, there was so much salt in the 'tap water' there was definitely no need to add any more to a horse's diet! We had to drink bottled water, or from a reverse osmosis tank treated water.

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If he's living in that stall 24/7, then yes, it should be cleaned daily. Water should be filled daily as well, and scrubbed as needed. To prevent sand colic, the horse can be fed their hay in a second bucket like that or on mats. Feeding on the pooh is disgusting and can increase a horse's risk of parasites.

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It's a good thing you left if you didn't agree with it.

How many hours are the horses in these "stalls" daily?

The bigger issue to me is that the "stall" has no roof, and walls that provide no protection. I don't understand the point of that. It's not a shelter, so there's no reason to bring the horse into it, unless it's just to feed and turn right back out.
Horses in Southern California are routinely housed in outdoor stalls like that with no shelters. Most of the barns I boarded at in San Diego County had a good number of "bargain" stalls without shavings or shelters, or trees near them, even at the "higher class" facilities. The horses did fine as long as they had plenty of fresh water. The summer heat there was never that bad, and humidty isn't a factor. I never saw a routinely salty horse until I moved to humid Arkansas, and our temps aren't much higher than I was used to out there. Winters in SoCal are very mild. I would sheet mine as I had to have a bargain stall myself .
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The full boarding contract stated, "stalls cleaned daily." Down falls; gross dirty horse, smell and FLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE! BREATHING DRY MANURE can cause respiratory issues; Mold. Just like dust fever. I was concerned about colic; this ranch's horse died of colic a couple of weeks ago. They knew the weather change was an issue and didn't check on the horse's water intake or use a water warmer. This horse died in pain without pain meds for the last 2 days. I didn't agree to pay full board for a "mare motel"... and could never do that to my horse. The water was not give regularly because I checked. These people were being lazy, period. Reread the law; there are no excuses for no access to clean water. One of the horses went 19 hours without access to water. If I paying full board, I shouldn't have to water or clean my stall before I can enjoy my horse. There was no turn out! Water was out 3pm; is not the watering time; maybe after horse show around 9 pm! I witnessed! I shouldn't have to ask anyone anything. There are no excuse if the ranch owners are going to horse shows. Enough evidence to prosecute. This is a manure management issue. Management commited fraudulent business practices and false advertisement. There was no exidus for manure at all! The horses were recycling it! Gross, gross, gross! Thanks God, my parents brought me up better than to live in stinch! Water run off is another issue. Control pollution from manure.
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