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        04-16-2009, 08:24 AM
    Green Broke
    Yup, you do not need to deworm if your ares experiences hard freezes and stays frozen during the winter. You should deworm after the first freeze, then again after the first thaw in spring.

    Alternately, if you live in a desert area or one that is hot AND dry in the summer (over 85 degrees for extended periods), you do not have to deworm in the summer. When I lived in Southeastern California (deserty area) I did not deworm from June through September.

    When planning a rotation, keep in mind that products with the ingrediants fenbendazole and oxibendazole are NOT, I repeat NOT, effective in adult horses. You are wasting your money.
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        04-16-2009, 08:29 AM
    Green Broke
    Originally Posted by Sir Drake    
    I'm going to just give him Ivermectin because I'm pretty sure that is what was given to him last late march/early winter. My schedule is every 6-8 weeks (meaning I gave him the last one late january, now he's getting it early april). My barnowner worms his horses once a month! I think that's too much. Not sure!
    6-8 weeks is took much too, or too little. After deworming with Pyrantel products, you wait 4-6 weeks. After deworming with Ivermectin, you wait 8 weeks. After deworming with Moxidectin, you wait 10-12 weeks. Those are the only three products I will use, as they are the most effective.

    Here in Arkansas, we have wet summers and off-an-on freezes during the winter, so our chance for parasites never diminishes. My gelding is also more prone to worms, so I keep both horses on a tight schedule. My schedule is as follows. It works very well for me and my horses stay healthy looking all year round, with negative fecals.

    Jan 1: Ivermectin + Praziquantel
    Mar 1: Pyrantel, double dose (Exodus Multi Dose or TapeCare+)
    Apr 15: Moxidectin
    July 1: Ivermectin
    Sept 1: Pyrantel, double dose (Exodus Multi Dose or TapeCare+)
    Oct 1: Moxidectin
        04-17-2009, 01:23 PM
    I would highly recommend that everyone go take a look at the deworming webinar that was aired by www.thehorse.com last night. It was a WONDERFUL lecture and gave very important and very detailed information on deworming.
        04-17-2009, 11:16 PM
    Ryle, thanks a bunch. I watched the webinar, that was exactly what I was looking for. (I did watch it in two installments, it was long). That answered all my questions. I have always heard that improper de-worming can lead to colic and now I feel re-assured that our horses are okay. I will use Quest Plus 2x a year and do a fecal 2x a year and I think we will be just fine. I can see how our vet can prescribe a treatment plan from the egg counts. It all makes sense now.
        04-18-2009, 11:30 AM
    I'm glad it helped. The DVM did a GREAT job with the lecture (made me feel like I was back in school ;) )

    One of the things you should probably do is wait 4 months after your spring deworming and run a fecal egg count this summer (should be the main parasite transmission season where you are) and just determine what kind of load your horse normally carries. Then pick your deworming plan based upon that result.
        04-18-2009, 12:25 PM
    My vet said to worm every 6-8 weeks. Right now he said to worm with Quest. That will last for 3 months. Then use Panacur. And then Strongid. And then Ivermectin. And then the year should be over.
        04-18-2009, 12:26 PM
    My Vet said we really only needed to do a fecal egg count on one of the horses (they share everything). Since it is a communal thing, if one has them they all will.
    Is that correct?
    I really like going by the egg count, I can't see treating for something they don't have.
    I'll go watch the video now
        04-19-2009, 08:10 PM
    Ryle, I will do a fecal egg count 4 months after de-worming. Thanks, I needed to know when to do the next fecal. I love having a plan. Vidalco, everything I have heard is you need to do it for each horse. That is what our vet said because you have low, medium and high shedders. Which I guess means each horse horse has a different susceptibility to worms.
        04-20-2009, 10:42 AM
    Vidaloco, take the time to watch the deworming webinar on www.thehorse.com I really can't stress how good that was.....

    The recommendation is to test ALL horses. Just testing one will only tell you what is going on with that one because they are individuals and have their own levels of resistance/susceptibility. Even in the same situation, one horse may not carry much of a burden while another one may carry a huge load.

    Cowgirl4Jesus94, you should really watch the webinar as well. Some of the vets are really behind on what is actually a good way to deworm. Your vet is having you use 2 products that are likely not to be effective. Strongyles are resistant to panacur in more than 90% of areas tested and to strongid in about 40-50% of areas tested. This is important because strongyles are the most important GI parasites you are targetting in adult horses. Your vet is still using an old recipe that is not a good treatment regimen and likely is just wasting money for 2 out of 4 of your treatmets.

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