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post #21 of 26 Old 07-25-2012, 03:10 PM
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I wouldn't be so worried about using the standard de-wormers like Ivermec and Safeguard. Have a fecal done to tell you what you need to de-worm. I have never used DE for deworming our pets but it is occasionally fed to them for pest control. It keeps the bugs out of our garden, barn, house, good stuff. We've dusted goats with lice with DE... I'm not sure if its in part due to the DE or my obsessive de-worming schedule but we haven't de-wormed any one in six months. All 10 horses just had fecals run and NO eggs were found.

http://www.allnaturalhorses.com/de.htm

Or http://www.natureshoof.com/worming2.aspx

Note: She says, "We make a big distinction between deworming and parasite control. Diatomaceous earth is not really a dewormer, but I consider it to be a form of parasite control. If the parasites get out of control, then you need a dewormer. I see people that throw the baby out with the bath water, saying they don't want to use toxic chemical wormers, so they quit deworming their horses altogether, and end up in trouble. It's important to make this distinction."

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So as I was cleaning my stalls today I mulled over everything from this forum.
First off, the idea that DE would become not sharp when wet doesn't make much sense. At first i thought "oh like powder it gunks up" well yes it can a little, but it's more slippery than that and doesn't completely stick together. If you put a pile of razors in water it doesn't make them less sharp.
The other concern - could it be harmful to their intestines? Good thought, but i don't think so, not in the minute amounts it's given in. Think about how harsh their feed is but their stomachs handle that fine. The microscopic sharp pieces are so small thy only really damage anything microscopic, unless of course they have a rediculous amount.

I think new image also made a good point, the destinction between parasite control and deworming. I don't think DE would be good enough to take out a seriously wormy animal, but it's probably helpful in reducing the numbers or preventing an overabundance of worms. Whereas a commercial dewormer whipes out all the worms, thus it dewprms, not controls.

In my horse's case they have both had fecals and are 'within healthy levels' and don't need to be dewormed but the vet said i could if i still thought it needed. I will probably give them a bit of DE occasionally, but continue to get fecals every so often to make sure they're still within comfortable levels.

This has been quite enlightening!
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post #23 of 26 Old 07-26-2012, 09:26 PM
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If you read my follow up you'll see i have done a fecal and had a farm call already. I will do what's right by my horses, i always try to -as of right now according to my vet nothing is necessary. I'm simply curious as to alternatives. I'm not here to 'make things complicated' i want to learn about all alternatives and thus make a more educated decision on how to treat my animals.
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I'm with you punk.... I "try" not to give my horses any "chemicals" that they do not need..... If I drop off a sample to my vet she only charges me $10 to check it... just had them checked this week while she was here....negative results...no wormer needed.....
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Yup - oh and I checked that colts records, it was Zimectrin, not Ivermectin, sorry. Either way I know it's not the drug it was the improper dosage on top of the improper care afterwards.

but gotta keep to my ideals of not using any chemicals I don't need to.
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TBH, PunksTank, everything is a chemical - heck, air and water are chemicals!

I'm generally of the belief that you can give too much of anything, just some substances have a much greater difference between the effective dose and overdose. Just because it's natural, doesn't make it any less harmful - you can overdose on Vitamin A, water, oxygen and other things our bodies need a certain level of, and the results can be just as harmful or deadly.

So, whether you use diatomaceous earth, or ivermectin and other wormers, the following two principles must be adhered to:

1) Only give if it is needed, and if it does the job (otherwise why give it?)
2) Follow the recommended dosage to the letter unless otherwise instructed by a qualified and well-recommended vet

Good on you for being open-minded about things!
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post #26 of 26 Old 07-26-2012, 11:14 PM
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Personally, I don't think it's really a wormer at all. Why? Well, Cinny gets it in his feed right now as it prevents flys from breeding in the poo. And I can attest to it working well for that. However, Cinny still gets parasites (we do fecal floats regularly) and he still occasionally needs some worm paste, type depending on the time of year as it changes.

I wouldn't feed Diatomaceous Earth and consider the horse parasite free by no means...best to just do a regular float (most vets let you bring it in to their office for a very nominal fee, mine charges 20) and let them tell you if, when, and what type of wormer you need.
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