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post #11 of 34 Old 07-21-2012, 10:03 PM
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Ivermectin is a good dewormer. But, It will only take care of Large Strongyles, Small Strongyles, Pinworms, Ascarids, Hairworms, Large-mouth Stomach Worms, Bots, Lungworms, Intestinal Threadworms.

Pyrantyl will take care of large strongyles, small strongyles, pinworms, and large roundworms.

Roundworms are probably the most common worms that horses will get. And ivermectin doesn't kill them. So its important to rotate dewormers when you do deworm.

Fecal exams done in spring and fall will tell you if you need to treat, and if so, by using what.

There is no way to kill eggs in your pasture. Many horses are probably never completely clear or worms because of their grazing nature. There will also be eggs. So it is important to deworm. But...only when you need it, and for exactly the type of worms you have. Otherwise worms will become resistant to deworms and eventually well need stronger and stronger pesticides...or...no deworm will work. We will have created a "super bug" so to speak.

Don't feel bad. We've all made mistakes in our horsemanship. You were just following instructions by you vet/friend.
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Wow, they've obviously become immune to the ivermectin, so I'd consider that useless from now on. The jury appears to be out on whether it's a good or bad thing to 'rotate' different wormers, from what I've been reading, but one thing seems certain - that the pharmaceutical companies recommend using their chemicals far more often than necessary(of course, as they want you to buy more) & this is part of the reason parasites become 'immune' to certain chemicals quickly.... & you've been worming even more frequently even than manufacturers recommend I think(I don't use Ivermectin so can't check).
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post #14 of 34 Old 07-21-2012, 10:42 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you so much to everybody. I did try to get informed and to do everything right, but I screwed up royally in this situation. And what is extremely unsettling is that I had no idea.
I wonder what else am I messing up without knowing?
I couldn't love this baby any more if I would have given birth to her. I want to raise her right and give her everything she needs to grow up healthy and happy.
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post #15 of 34 Old 07-21-2012, 10:42 PM
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I use these with my boy
Deworming Rotation Schedule and Worm Facts

It's a new wormer every two months, so they aren't building up resistance.
It covers a broad spectrum of parasites.

It's a little pricey for wormers. But I think it's well worth it. It's like worming for dummies :)


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Thank you so much to everybody. I did try to get informed and to do everything right, but I screwed up royally in this situation. And what is extremely unsettling is that I had no idea.
I wonder what else am I messing up without knowing?
I couldn't love this baby any more if I would have given birth to her. I want to raise her right and give her everything she needs to grow up healthy and happy.
I'm sure she's in great hands.

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It is common practice to dewom babies once a month until they are a year old. The reason being is baby horses do not have resistance to worms liek adult horses get. They also have their mouths on everything and eat poop to regulate their guts.

I would continue to deworm once a month but would rotate products. It is possible that you simply caught a heavy hatch of worms with this product. The other thing is you might have been underdosing her accidently as well I typically overdose by a little margin and sometimes just double dose things like Ivermectin that have a large safety margin to be SURE I kille dwhat Im trying to kill and not underdose.

You really need to talk to your vet about this tho. Certain things are more area specific and babies have different needs and problems than adults do. Also a fecal is a great idea and dont forget about tapeworms. I love Quest plus but id hold off using it till she is about a 2 yo and make sure to accurately weight her. IT kills everything and is the only product with no know resistances yet but there is a low margin of safety, thus needing to know a very close approximate weight and waiting till the horse is a bit older. I never have worm problems and have used it on my babies once they reach about a year and a half to two years to be sure they are clean.
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I used her body length and girth to calculate her size and I do overdose just a tiny bit. She weights 648lbs(according to this measurements) and I give her wormer for 700lbs. I read that if I change the wormer often she would get an upset stomach and my sister-in-law also uses the same wormer back to back.
I did learn my lesson now, but I'm horrified thinking that she could have coliced from what I can only call neglect. I didn't neglect her intentionally, in fact I've been overprotective of her and I've been trying my best to take great care of her, but trying doesn't really cut it.
I'm going to keep reading, checking with the vet often and hopefully I won't screw up again.
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Don't be so hard on yourself.

I'd be curious to know if you sister in laws horses have roundworms though. Might be something you want to bring up with her...?
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I used her body length and girth to calculate her size and I do overdose just a tiny bit. She weights 648lbs(according to this measurements) and I give her wormer for 700lbs. I read that if I change the wormer often she would get an upset stomach and my sister-in-law also uses the same wormer back to back.
I did learn my lesson now, but I'm horrified thinking that she could have coliced from what I can only call neglect. I didn't neglect her intentionally, in fact I've been overprotective of her and I've been trying my best to take great care of her, but trying doesn't really cut it.
I'm going to keep reading, checking with the vet often and hopefully I won't screw up again.

Foals tend to have round worms more than any other kind of worm and Ivermectin doesn't kill round worms. You didn't screw up, weren't given good info. I deworm my foals once a month, vet agrees that this is correct. I use Ivermectin, then Safeguard (Pyrantel), then Panacur (Fenbendazle). Those are the 3 wormers considered pretty much safe at any dose in case the syringe slips and you give the whole thing to the foal, it won't hurt them.

Once they are 6 months you can weigh them, the way you are doing it will get you close enough but a scale is always best, and give the appropriate dose of Quest Plus. I wouldn't use this one more than twice/year, even on full grown horses. You can also rotate Zimectrin Gold in there, even in foals as young as 6 weeks, I'm careful with the dosing on this one too, it has moxidectin as well as Ivermectin in it.

I also keep my foals on a daily dewormer until they are 2, then we go to fecal testing. I use Strongid C2X and have very good results.
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