Originally Posted by Randa
farrier last time he can for a trimming and he said that Joe's hooves would always grow out that way? His heels always have grown more and they definitely need to be lowered.
Without further info, don't know what your farrier means. Heels appear to need to come down drastically & keeping him 'jacked up' will indeed mean 'his hooves will always grow that way'. It will perpetuate the 'rotation'. Of course, heels can't just be chopped down in one fell swoop either, so a balancing act & generally takes a few trim cycles at least to get them where they should be. Of course, depends what else may be going on in joints etc as to what 'ideal' may be for him too.
maybe I've been doing the wrong thing for him by putting him in shoes this whole time? When he first foundered he had wedge platforms that were glued on but since then he has had the backwards shoe.
I feel that IME shoes are definitely best avoided in this state. That further raising heels esp when horse already has serious positive rotation, that backward shoes are outdated practices that are unhelpful for anything more than short term palliative measures.
BUT there are differences of opinion & no short cuts to doing your own research to get to the bottom of what may be best answers, best approaches. And don't beat yourself up about your choices either - you can only do what you think best at the time. Just I think it's important to strive to learn better & be able to make more objective choices.
Joe was still sore and he said because of the amount of trauma to his feet.
He may well be. Without further info, can't know what permanent damage he may or may not have. But with hoof capsules that long, heels that high, there is a fair bet that with proper mechanics, perhaps combined with changes in diet, etc, he will be able to be much more comfortable at least.
Joe probably foundered because of either two things. He was overweight and he had white line. ...how can you tell there is still rotation based on the hoof? [/QUOTE]
Look up ecirhorse.com & also safergrass.org. As 'well fed' humans are at risk of IR & type 2 diabetes, so are horses. And in horses, one symptom of this is commonly laminitis. When it's really severe/acute, it can cause catastrophic breakdown of the laminae & ensuing 'dropping' of the pedal bone, causing mechanical 'founder'. More commonly though, laminitis is not that severe, but can be chronic and go unnoticed, as can mechanical problems in the hooves, such as the farrier leaving heels too high, toes too long, for eg. The problems just gradually get worse until 'suddenly, one day, out of the blue...' the horse is suddenly lame & pronounced foundered. White line disease is a common symptom of bad mechanics, frequently goes with laminitis, but to my knowledge, is not a cause of it in any way.
Read & look over the e-hoofcare.com site for some more info on 'reading' the 'landmarks' of the hoof to better judge what's going on inside. I have drawn(roughly) on your pics to show what gives me the idea the hooves are still 'rotated'. Knowing roughly where P3 *should* be within the capsule, in relation to the hairline & seeing the heels are that high, and considering the overall length of the hoof capsules, the rear of P3 will be quite high in relation to the toe, which will be pointing into the ground. The dip in the hairline at the toe is another 'hint' and the flares - hard to tell w that angle & that the farrier has dressed the dorsal surface of the hooves - but it appears, from both front & side, that the hoof walls are flared from about 1/4 way down from the hairline.