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  • Difference between smartdigest and smartgut
  • Can smartdigest ultra and smartgut be used together

 
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    07-17-2010, 08:25 PM
  #11
Yearling
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Originally Posted by HagonNag    
Don't blame Smartpak because some people over supplement their horses. Lots of people are over medicated, but we don't blame Walmart!
I think there is a distinct difference between "over-supplemented" and "over-medicated."

The supplement industry is selling the idea that horse's can be healthy and live long comfortable lives without x, y, z and the kitchen sink. And these are products without evidence based science to back up the claims that they are making or to even prove that these products are safe. (Drug interactions have to be tested for, labelled for etc but that doesn't occur with supplements and mixing them may indeed lead to health issues.) Horse owners can go out and buy tons of supplements and dose them without having ANY advice as to proper use.

With medications people can make more educated decisions because the products have been tested repeatedly and must be marked with things such as the safe dose, reasons that should cause you NOT to use the product, possible side-effects, possible dangerous interactions, etc. And with you can consult a physician or even a pharmacist about the appropriateness of these products--people who have an education in pharmacology. Drugs are also not generally something that are advertised for you just to take on a daily basis for your whole life "just in case" you might have a problem later in life.
     
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    07-17-2010, 08:33 PM
  #12
Trained
Regardless if people don't over suppliment or over suppliment - Smartpak is going to remain in business for a very long time.

I'm going to continue to purchase SmartDigest Ultra and SmartGut, with the horse I currently have and with the horses I will have in the future. They were recomended to me by my 2 Vets, and my horse is doing great on them.
     
    07-17-2010, 08:44 PM
  #13
Showing
I've used Smartpak in the past and loved the company. I agree that indiscriminate supplementing of an animals diet is careless. If its a needed and vet recommended vitamin, mineral etc. the packaging of them by this company makes its very easy at feed time to make sure the animal gets the correct dose. Anything that makes our lives easier when one has a number of animals to feed is A-OK in my book.
The customer support is stellar and their prices are in line with most other company's of the same type.
     
    07-17-2010, 09:20 PM
  #14
Yearling
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Originally Posted by MIEventer    
I'm going to continue to purchase SmartDigest Ultra and SmartGut, with the horse I currently have and with the horses I will have in the future. They were recomended to me by my 2 Vets, and my horse is doing great on them.
I wonder what their reasoning is. The glutamine which is the active ingredient in both of those helps protect against gastric ulcers caused by a bacteria that causes ulcers in humans. But horses don't get ulcers caused by that bacteria. The cause of ulcers in horses is related physiology and use.
     
    07-17-2010, 09:34 PM
  #15
Green Broke
I didn't use any supplements (just good hay and salt block plus some feed for my hard keeper) until T got older and was having severe reactions to tick bites. This was confirmed by two biopsies last year, hypersensitivity to them actually. Because she is 21 and the body doesn't have the immune defense it use to, I put her on a good mineral/vitamin supplement this year. After receiving a few tick bites this spring and no reaction, I am convinced that I am doing what is needed for her at this stage in her life.

I'm a bit of a doubting Thomas, so I have to see the proof in how my horse does with whatever I am giving her.

I put Walka on the same supplement since he is such a hard keeper (mostly due to his deformity with the Rhyes nose, and that he doesn't get the maximum benefit from chewing his hay/feed). He is also doing beautifully. Again, saw the difference, but tried other products before and didn't see any differences.

So, while it isn't smart pac that I'm using, I am using a very high quality vit/min supplement (admans formerly known as moormans).
     
    07-18-2010, 09:28 PM
  #16
Showing
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Originally Posted by Deerly    
I don't think supplements are bad :) Sure, people can over do it and waste their money but I think preventative care and some supplements are a great idea.
I'm not against supplements at all. In fact I supplement mine with vit/minerals, which also includes amino acids + biotin (for the hoofs). But if you really read those "stories" SmartPack is publishing they sound like every horse needs this, this, and that. And unfortunately many people just feed based on such publications rather than get an advice from the vet.

Some horses DO need and MUST get certain supplements. But over-stuffing any creature (horse, dog, cat, or human) with minerals, or vitamins, or whatever else is never a good idea. It causes bad effects in long run. Often the damage you can't repair.
     
    07-18-2010, 09:41 PM
  #17
Yearling
My horse is on the smartpak calming supplements, I swear that they really help with some of the tension issues we've been having.
     
    07-19-2010, 12:48 AM
  #18
Foal
Yaaaaay. People debating heatedly.
     
    07-23-2010, 01:24 PM
  #19
Trained
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I wonder what their reasoning is. The glutamine which is the active ingredient in both of those helps protect against gastric ulcers caused by a bacteria that causes ulcers in humans. But horses don't get ulcers caused by that bacteria. The cause of ulcers in horses is related physiology and use.
Sorry I didn't see this earlier. I will post on a thread and forget about it.
Nelson had a massive colic in Janurary, the Surgery type, which meant the death type. He is 21 now and there is no vet who would operate on him, nor would I put him through surgery - so it meant I would of had to let him go if he couldn't pass the gas colic. It was in his Ceacum*sp*
So miraculously, he passed the gas on his own, and got back to his normal self, but to pinpoint the cause of the colic, we scoped him. Ulcers. It was a combination of him being on stall rest due to his injury to his hind right leg, and the ulcers and the medications he was on at the time. My vet highly suggested we get his 21 year old body on a digestive aid suppliment, and ulcer treatment.
We did the whole treatment of Gastro Guard or whatever that tube paste is called, very expensive - and then when that treatment was done, we got him on SmartGut, that again, was recommended to me by my vet because of the ingredients.

SmartGut and SmartDigest Ultra, working together is doing a great job and I am very impressed with where my horse is now. He is a hard keeper and without him being on the 2 suppliments, I couldn't get weight on him no matter what I shoved down his throat - now, with these two suppliments in his life, he's gained weight easily and he's keeping it too.
I'm very impressed with SmartPaks suppliments and will keep him on them until the day comes where we have to part.
I also have him on Vitamin C, which again, highly recommended to me by my vet because it is a Free Radical and the job it does helps greatly with Nelson's system. And I also have him on SmartCalm, to aid his stomache to keep his stress levels down, being a TB, to help in not flaring up those ulcers.
Every suppliment I have him on, is for his digestive system and his ulcers. All approved, and examined by my 2 veterinarians - who work for 2 seperate offices.
     
    07-26-2010, 02:10 PM
  #20
Showing
^^^ Glad to hear Nelson is doing so well!
I also like that Smartpak has an auto refill option. I get an email once a month that the order is going to ship on a certain date. You can adjust the dates change the order or cancel completely online.
I don't have to worry about running out or getting online to reorder. It just makes life easier
     

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