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        10-02-2013, 12:57 AM
      #11
    Weanling
    To clear a few things up, I want an equine related job because that is my career path and chosen major in each college I am applying to. I am not doing it because I honestly think that burger-flipping is below me (trust me, I'm lucky if I can flip a coin), it's because I feel like otherwise I would be wasting my time. My ideal job is getting career experience as well as pay. I guess that's too much to ask for right now.

    I was kidding about the snob part....
    And I am only seventeen, working on straight A's, doing piano, doing actual hobbies such as painting, sketching, writing, composing, and what not. I have senior project this year and my project filly and my gelding are both underweight so I have to be at the barn every night to feed/ride/work with the filly, and I am now riding someone else's horse for her because she is wanting him to get in better shape before she sells him, and she is paying me. I have a lot going on and can only handle so many categories, if that makes sense. Adding something not related to anything else I am currently doing, subject-wise, is just an additional stress, and while realistically it is worth it because of the pay, emotionally it is not. Not to mention college applications.

    But yeah. Horses are not a hobby to me, they never have been. They are a huge part of my life. I have basically spent about 40 hours at the barn this past week.

    "Your first thoughts silhouette be of getting the money together yourself, not trying to scrounge up a job because your parents don't have the funds for your hobby"
    I need a job either way, horses or no horses. My parents make good money, but my mom's salary is the most important and people don't pay her when they should. So right now we are really tight. They were generous enough to pay for my horse, board, farrier, vet, showing (cheap little local shows except for one so far), etc. I payed for my saddle with some money I had earned from selling a painting, which I really should start doing again. I digress. Isn't getting a job the same as getting the money together myself?

    I have a car and license. I can start paying for gas once I have the money (not provided by my parents).

    I feel a bittersweet mix of guilt and gratefulness towards my parents. They don't expect me to pay them back, but as soon as I can afford it, I will.

    However, that isn't the point of this post.

    I just need money. I want to start my future finances now, so that I can afford nicer things later, like a roof over my head and clothing. Because once I am out of high school, I want to be as light of a financial burden on my parents as possible. Also, I do need things ASAP. Like two new pairs of boots. Mice chewed through my show pair, and my chore pair (which I found lying around in the garage, so I got them for free :) ) are falling apart and don't keep my feet dry anymore. I really need a better halter for the filly. The one I use is borrowed from my trainer. I need to see about getting a better fitting saddle (for me, mine is a bit too small), but that is more of a want right now and can wait. I need to start saving for retirement (yes, I am already thinking about that).

    But most importantly, I need to start saving for my college education and a truck. My feet can be pruny for a few more months if they have to be.

    I feel like my post might come across as tense. I have a lot on my mind. Money is stressing me out. I don't even have any yet. I took Accounting, Marketing, and Personal Finance in the past three semesters. Hated all of them. I hate money. I hate that I need it. I really don't want to sound rude in this post. I don't know why I am so worried about that. I guess this is a rant now. I am going insane. Senior year is insane. Did I mention all of my classes are AP?

    Ugh. Now I feel like I am just complaining about it. I know that some of you here have it MUCH harder than I do. I have it easy compared to most of you, I think. Don't get me wrong. I am very blessed. I know I am blessed. My family is amazing, I love my school, I have a loving boyfriend, I have the best horse I could ask for, my barn is close, I have a comfy bed. I have so much more than so many others out there. I have a bright future. I am so grateful for what my parents have given me. I seriously might cry. Maybe not. I don't know for sure at this point. Anyway. I am not complaining, or at least I am not intentionally complaining. I love my life. My current life. It is my future life I am worried about. I want to be able to have the money I need to do at least some of the things I need (and want) to. I am blessed enough to not be dirt poor, or even slightly poor. But my family isn't exactly rolling in piles of green bills. I am grateful, but I want more. Does that make me selfish or ambitious? Honestly, I don't know the answer to that right now.

    Oh well. I have to start from somewhere, right?

    Burgers it is. Or pets. Or paintings. Or painted pet burgers.
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        10-02-2013, 01:27 AM
      #12
    Yearling
    I understand that you want a job where you can spend your days with horses and earn enough to live off of comfortably, but it's unrealistic. I'm sure more than half of us on this forum have the same wish, but we know better and have likely learned the hard way. Go out and get yourself a job, a job that is reliable and will pay you minimum wage or more. I hate to crush your dreams, but having an equine job that will make you more than 30k a year is VERY unlikely at the moment.
    I get you're young and want to live out your dream, but it's time to grow up and think realistically about your future and not snub jobs that you can actually depend on and move up in that company.

    Do not take offense to this post, I'm telling you this because I thought the same way you are at 17. I WISH I had just gotten on with my life and not dreamt about what could be; instead I'm getting a slow start in life(finally starting college at 19 without a real job and dependable income)
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        10-02-2013, 01:49 AM
      #13
    Trained
    Most places do not pay barn help, they have boarders do it to work off board or students to pay off lessons, very few places actually "pay" someone to do chores. You want a career in horses? Be prepared to be broke.
         
        10-02-2013, 04:00 AM
      #14
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by waresbear    
    Most places do not pay barn help, they have boarders do it to work off board or students to pay off lessons, very few places actually "pay" someone to do chores. You want a career in horses? Be prepared to be broke.

    This is something I very nearly learnt the hard way.
    I would love to be out as a groom, and training horses. But I am in no way good enough.
    I am a darn hard worker, and worked that previous job till I made myself extremely ill. And have worked other jobs until my fingers are to the bone.

    But they want experience. They want drivers licenses, they want you competing at X level etc etc etc. And that is for small barns I looked at (yardandgroom.com)
    To give you a slight reality check of what is expected, and basic payment. Most take working students, because they go for experience. They don't want to pay a 17yo, or a 22yo (me!) to do work they can get for free.

    My honest advice would be really focus on your studies and own horses. If you get your studies, and keep getting good grades, you will be able to move off from any platform you wish to.

    I have made the decision that if I want to work with horses, I will do it later in life when I have time to enjoy myself. The current employment climate is horrid, getting a part time job now, whether it be food places or paper run, or drawing art pieces to sell, gives you some sort of experience to deal with the big bad scary world.

    Money isn't everything, but you also need to be realistic to yourself. If you need to work to help with the upkeep of your horses, go for something that will pay well. You may hate it, but at least you have your lovely horses to go home to ;)
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        10-02-2013, 12:07 PM
      #15
    Trained
    OP-Here are a few things I have learned over the years, and just some experiences I have had or witnessed. First-no job is a waste of time. It shows your ability to be a team player, work hard, get along with others, take constructive criticism and MANY other things. Secondly, you most likely will not find a job, even flipping burgers, for only 5 hours a week when it is convenient for you and fits in your schedule. There are some employers who will work around your school schedule, but the other stuff you have to rearrange some. Third-there are very very few people who many $$ in horses. The ones that do pretty much have someone with big $$ backing them. Here is one example of someone I know personally, and I actually know quite a few who have gone to a 4 yr equestrian program, which is NOT cheap. A guy who worked for a trainer I had my horse with.....who actually did the training on my horse....was 2 yrs out of the 4 yr school. He worked like a dog. I mean got up at around 6, fed, mucked, cleaned, etc, dragged both arenas, hooked horses up to the walker, (all before lunch) then had to ride anywhere between 6-8 horses before feeding, watering(again) etc. He had not yet even earned showing any of the horses he trained. When everyone else went to a show he stayed home and took care of all the horses that were there. When I was leaving I actually asked him about it. He told me that both he and his twin brother had gone to the same school, his brother had already quit and gone back to pharmacy school, and this guy was ready to do the same. His thought (and mine too, actually) is that unless you have big $$ backing you (which takes a lot of luck as well as skill), you are better off with an education to do something and PAY SOMEONE else to care for your horse. Another friend who went to the same school-working at Enterprise rent a car. THe $$ is better. Another-back in school for a business degree....and she interned with a top reining trainer. THe list goes on.......Good luck, and I suggest you do more artwork if that has paid well in the past......perhaps THAT is something to look into. At least with that you can do graphic design or something that pays well, and can be a career as you age.

    Oh-and BTW-my BO does pay $10/hr, but as has been said-hours are unreliable, and few.
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        10-02-2013, 01:36 PM
      #16
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by xlionesss    
    I understand that you want a job where you can spend your days with horses and earn enough to live off of comfortably, but it's unrealistic. I'm sure more than half of us on this forum have the same wish, but we know better and have likely learned the hard way. Go out and get yourself a job, a job that is reliable and will pay you minimum wage or more. I hate to crush your dreams, but having an equine job that will make you more than 30k a year is VERY unlikely at the moment.
    I get you're young and want to live out your dream, but it's time to grow up and think realistically about your future and not snub jobs that you can actually depend on and move up in that company.

    Do not take offense to this post, I'm telling you this because I thought the same way you are at 17. I WISH I had just gotten on with my life and not dreamt about what could be; instead I'm getting a slow start in life(finally starting college at 19 without a real job and dependable income)
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    Wait...there's horse jobs that pay almost $30k a year?? Sign me up!! Just don't te my husband! I made less than half that when I was BM for a 40 horse facility! Gave it up, went back to school and finished my mostly completed degree.
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        10-02-2013, 01:49 PM
      #17
    Green Broke
    There is more to food and beverage than just fast food. I have been in restaurants since I was fifteen (so, for the past six years). Firstly in fine dining, and then in a chain restaurant. Those jobs have supported my school, living, and my horse for almost as long as I have had them. Things are tight, sometimes, but it works. Plus, the hours are flexible enough that I can remain a full time student.

    As far as working in a barn with those kinds of stipulations? Like everyone else said, good luck...
    I'm not sure where you're located, but around here the paid positions are absolutely full time in the most literal sense: the grooms at the properties that I boarded lived on property should something be needed at any hour. I don't know very many places that will hire someone who can work five hours a week.

    I worked as a trainer/groom at another barn. I took over about half the lessons, did half the mucking/grunt work and I was paid under the table $7 an hour.

    Where I currently board my gelding, they have interns working for nearby Texas A&M do to all of the mucking/feeding.
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        10-02-2013, 01:58 PM
      #18
    Trained
    Your best future advertisement for a trainer is to have a perfectly trained horse. People know a good thing. You start your dream job with baby steps while you support yourself with an adult job.
    The daughter I mentioned is editing books part-time. She has edited her dad's 3 e-published books--no small feat bc you need to know grammar and structure AND how to format for the programs or else it will be rejected. She also did one edited job for another party for pay. THAT's how she'd like to spend her days, so she does it for free for her dad, NOW, and hopes to get lots of experience in, in case the market ever opens up for her.
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        10-02-2013, 07:01 PM
      #19
    Green Broke
    The problem is...unless you can do grooming at show barns? Which means traveling with the show horses? You will be making what they pay...not what you want them to pay.

    If you can ride adequately well, nothing fancy but if you don't mind get up on the young horses? You MIGHT make more...might not too.

    And sadly? The illegals have many of the jobs with horses Americans used to have. When we were making, back in 70/80's, 30 dollars a day at a show, with motel room and meal money....(min wage was maybe 2 dollars???) the Mexicans were doing it for 10...period. NO motel, NO food money...just 10 dollars every day.

    You might, depending on where you lived and if you can find enough horse people close, with just one or two horses each, go muck out paddocks and remove that, in addition to stall? Clean troughs, clean tack or whatever.

    But with obummercare hitting hard...those folks that have horses may be finding out that they will not any longer be able to afford them. Or have to cut back on what they do with them.

    Get whatever job you have to....and good luck.


    And FYI. Leaving your boots any place that mice could get at them was foolish. Take better care of your things, it is not that hard to clean them, polish them and keep them up.
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        10-02-2013, 07:34 PM
      #20
    Green Broke
    I'm going to jump on the band wagon. Horses won't take you far. Even if they allow you to live comfortably in the moment, saving for retirement is going to be almost non existent. Having the money to splurge (even on horse things. New truck/trailer) will be even less likely. My advice to you is get a "real job" that will pay your bills, you can always work with horses on the side for extra cash. Another thing to consider is what do you have to fall back on when you get hurt? To burnt out? Etc... You might get to 30 and go "wow, this sucks. I bust my butt all day and barely make anything. My back hurts and my knees hurt. How am I going to do this for 30 more years?" At that point are you willing to start over new as an adult? Odds are you will have to go to school if you want a career, because without a degree you wont get far.

    My ultimate goal in life is to be a nurse. Nurses make a very comfortable living which I will be able to buy my own horse property with. I'll keep my own horses (probably pay someone the going rate to come muck for my 3 days a week) at my house and maybe some boards (to help defer hay costs) and/or train and resell my own horses (I'd like to train reiners and take in auction bound horses and rehome them). That should hopefully give me enough money to show or buy a nice trailer.

    Another thing to consider... I love horses and I've worked with them for 10 years. Like had a job working with them. Every saturday I reluctantly roll out of bed to teach lessons. I really do love horses but when horses are a job its not fun going to the barn anymore. I really want horses to stay fun!! To me they are an important outlet, which I no longer have. I want to want to go outside and work with my horses, not have to get up and go outside.
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