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post #81 of 185 Old 04-07-2010, 01:45 PM
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As long as we're fantasizing, I'd like to be 25 y/o, blonde, and rich beyond my wildest imaginings. Since that's as believable as everything you cut and pasted!
That's funny because when I am fantasizing you're a rich, 25yo blonde!

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Cons: Tom Pogacnik, director of the BLM's $16-million-a-year Wild Horse and Burro Program, conceded that about 90% of the horses rounded up go to slaughter.
The truth is that it is exactly 0% of the horses rounded up that have ever gone to slaughter.


Cons: In 1999 there were a total of 5.32 million horses in the Unites States, according to the National Agricultural Statistics Service. Current estimates place that figure at around 6.5 million in 2002. At 5.32 million, the 56,600 slaughtered in the US in 2001 represent ONE PERCENT of the current population. The amount slaughtered in 2002, 56,600, is down from 130,000 in 1996 and 345,000 in 1990, according to the United States Animal Health Association. Those horses have been absorbed into the current population.

They have been absorbed which is what is causing the problems. There are now 10 million horses and there is no where for them to go.

Cons: According to the Humane Society of the United States, who recently conducted a survey of nationally recognized zoos, horse meat is not the preferred choice for large cats. Beef, goats and pigs do just as well.

I have spoken personally with the large cat caretakers at a large zoo and they would love to have horsemeat and take any that is donated happily.

Cons: It is just as inhumane. The slaughter industry in the United States is beginning to come under attack for this very reason.

It is not inhumane at all. It is as kind as any activity can be that ends in the death of the animal.

Issue Nine: Animal Right Activist Are Causing All The Problems

THIS is the only true statement in the entire post.
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That's funny because when I am fantasizing you're a rich, 25yo blonde!
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Issue Nine: Animal Right Activist Are Causing All The Problems
This I agree with. Don't even get me started on PETA. They will say anything to get you to agree and join them. And they have to use naked women to draw attention to their campaign.. doesn't that speak for itself?

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How can you prove that animal right activists are causing ALL the problems? Some of them, certainly, but ALL? That's ludicrous. It depends on the specific problem.

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Kevin, your statement that 0% of rounded up mustangs have gone to slaughter is false. We have photos of horses with BLM freeze brands that went to slaughter and horses that had freeze brands burned off their necks but obviously, we can't prove anything with those. You might also check out the Santa Anita geldings. The BLM can make the statement that they don’t send horses to slaughter truthfully but they sell to people that do. Also, after a horse has been adopted, after one year, they no longer follow the horses.

Absorbed horses are creating the problem? Shouldn’t it have leveled when the slaughter counts went back up? If they were absorbed, why weren’t there all those crazy stories circulating of horses running loose in the streets and increased abuse? What is happening is excess horses are continuing to be produced every year. With the demand for horse meat decreasing, their irresponsible behavior can’t be swept under the carpet so easily. They only slaughter the amount they need to fill a demand, not the number of horses available. That has nothing to do with “activists”. Between the economy and increased awareness by consumers that US horses are not safe for consumption, I suspect the slaughter counts will continue to decrease. The year after the plants closed saw the second highest slaughter count since 1995. If you want to see the stats (links to data sources are provided) and analysis from 2006 to 2009 - http://www.equinewelfarealliance.org/uploads/Horse_Slaughter_Trends_2006-2009.pdf

If you think horse slaughter is humane, I suggest you pull a few FOIAs on the US plants, including the 2004 GAO study, then view the investigations from Mexico and the recent footage from the top two in Canada, Richelieu and Bouvry. Then come back and tell us how humane horse slaughter is.
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I would guess that Kevin's statement was accurate, that the BLM does not round up mustangs and send them to slaughter. Who in their right mind thinks the BLM has any obligation to make sure the people that buy (they really are buying) a horse do not send them to slaughter after they have owned them?

Vicki, are the slaughter houses OK as far as you are concerned for killing bovine and such?

Or do you only get yourself worked up over horses being killed?
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I would guess that Kevin's statement was accurate, that the BLM does not round up mustangs and send them to slaughter. Who in their right mind thinks the BLM has any obligation to make sure the people that buy (they really are buying) a horse do not send them to slaughter after they have owned them?

Vicki, are the slaughter houses OK as far as you are concerned for killing bovine and such?

Or do you only get yourself worked up over horses being killed?
Nice guess.

I believe the difference Vicki is trying to get at is food animal vs non-food animal. We don't slaughter other over-abundant non-food animals such as cats, dogs, people, etc, so horses shouldn't be any different. Also, the slaughterhouses that are being used for horses are not as specialized as the ones used for cattle in some areas.

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"In July 1991, they were unloading one of the double-decker trucks. A horse got his leg caught in the side of the truck so the driver pulled the rig up and and the horse's leg popped off. The horse was still living, and it was shaking. [Another employee] popped it on the head and we hung it up and split it open. ... Sometimes we would kill near 390, 370 a day. Each double-decker might have up to 100 on it. We would pull off the dead ones with chains. Ones that were down on the truck, we would drag them off with chains and maybe put them in a pen or we might drag them with an automatic chain to the knockbox. Sometimes we would use an electric shocker to try to make them stand. To get them into the knockbox, you have to shock them ... sometimes run them up the [anus] with the shocker. ... When we killed a pregnant mare, we would take the guts out and I would take the bag out and open it and cut the cord and put it in the trash and sometimes the baby would still be living, and its heart would be beating, but we would put it in the trashcan."
How many times does it have to be said - You CAN NOT sell stressed meat for human consumption. When an animal is stressed or fearful before death, the body releases chemicals that ruin the meat for human consumption.

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Nice guess.

I believe the difference Vicki is trying to get at is food animal vs non-food animal. We don't slaughter other over-abundant non-food animals such as cats, dogs, people, etc, so horses shouldn't be any different. Also, the slaughterhouses that are being used for horses are not as specialized as the ones used for cattle in some areas.
Yes, and have you seen all the starving cats and dogs in the street? You go to Mexico and you see all the skin and bone dogs running around, because A)they can't afford to feed them and B)No one owns them anyway. It's not just in Mexico though. You see stray dogs and cats everywhere, all the time. Do you think they're happy and living a good life? I doubt it.

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