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        03-27-2010, 09:05 AM
      #31
    Banned
    Interesting conversation.

    I greatly prefer grass raised beef. We used to get one butchered every year, and split it with another family member. And we used to get a home butchered pig every year. I'm not as evolved as speed racer; I've met our animals raised for the table, but I haven't named them or cared for them on a daily basis, that would be much harder. My husband wants to put our beef cattle on our home place, and I'll struggle with that, but I'll get over it. I will understand that they're being raised for the table, and that they'll have a better life than a commericially processed, feed lot animal.

    My 11 year old daughter has met the raised for the table animals and understands the concept - she doesn't think her pork chops magically appear in the grocery store already shrink wrapped. I love the comment about us being too far removed from our food sources.

    As far as horses go, this used to be hunt country, and dead and injured horses and other livestock were routinely sent to the kennels to feed the hounds. And yes, I sent some horses to the kennels. On an intellectual level, I am fine with it. Burying the horse is expensive and a waste of meat, as long as the horse was destroyed humanely (and they were, I assisted on a couple) why not use the meat? However, some horse owners were so vehemently opposed to the practice they couldn't even discuss it. I have buried two horses that were very dear to me in marked graves for my selfish emotional reasons, so clearly I'm somewhat conflicted on the issue.

    I like the compromise solution of the big TB breeders - they bury the head, heart, hooves and testicles (if a stud horse) in a marked grave, and use the rest of the meat.

    Sorry for the rambling post. Reopening the US slaughterhouses would mean surplus horses would be treated *BETTER* - a more humane life, and a more humane death. The slaughterhouses themselves would be regulated, and the poor animals wouldn't be stuffed on a crowded truck for a long trip to slaughter. I don't particularly want to eat horse meat, whether it's someone I know or not. However, there's a market for it - allowing horse slaughter in the US with some moderate regulation is a huge improvement over the current situation.
         
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        03-27-2010, 07:23 PM
      #32
    Weanling
    Horse should have a slaughter withdrawal just the same as any other meat animal should. Perhaps a fairly long one when it's something like track TB's that may have had steroids pumped in them as well. However, as has been mentioned, nothing else that's going to be used would be any different than that used in beef animals.

    As per age, beef cattle are slaughtered between 20 and 24 months. It used to be a little bit older than that, but it's dropped because of "mad cow" disease. Under 24 months, they can't get it, so the kill age is before then. The older stuff isn't used as sterling silver beef or anything like that, more in the ground stuff.

    I've heard horse meat is actually pretty good. I've no idea of my own. And people are far too removed from their food source these days. That's why I LOVE being a hunter. I pursue my own food, kill it, and process it completely. I am a bit more wasteful that paying a processor, however it's more cost effective to have those losses. If I want sausage or something like that, I simply take them the raw, butchered meat. I LOVE eating good deer meat, but since i'm still learning at the butchering process so a lot of it kinda HAS to go to grinding...

    And I have no problems eating store beef. I'M too broke to buy much of it right now, but my old man being in the beef business gets us free beef. I deplore people who don't want to eat meat "because of all the chemicals in it." seriously people, there's nothing in there that is going to harm you, there's those little things called withdrawl periods for a reason. However, I admit, when we get cattle going, we'll eat out own...
         
        03-27-2010, 07:42 PM
      #33
    Weanling
    I live in Canada, and I can go to any big name grocery store and find horse meat. It really disturbs me, but there's nothing I can do.

    I think the thing that really makes horse slaughter feel wrong is that they're working animals, they (in the past at least) pulled our plows, powered our vehicles, carried our soldiers, worked day in and day out, for centuries, at man's will. There are very few other animals as historically significant as the horse, what person would ever think of eating the creature that turned the soil, turned the mill, and essentially was responsible for the food on the table?
         
        03-27-2010, 08:04 PM
      #34
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by masatisan    
    I live in Canada, and I can go to any big name grocery store and find horse meat.
    Really? Wow. I can't and I have lived in Ontario for 45 years, including Ottawa and environs. I never did look specifically for horse meat, but I used to be on the lookout for new things to try all the time. I have dealt with a few different cultures and never found it either. Funny; maybe people just didn't discuss it. I would try it in a heartbeat if I could find it here, but Northern Ontario doesn't have a whole lot of variety in food, fashion, music, you name it: we don't have it :(
         
        03-27-2010, 08:24 PM
      #35
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by masatisan    
    I think the thing that really makes horse slaughter feel wrong is that they're working animals, they (in the past at least) pulled our plows, powered our vehicles, carried our soldiers, worked day in and day out, for centuries, at man's will. There are very few other animals as historically significant as the horse, what person would ever think of eating the creature that turned the soil, turned the mill, and essentially was responsible for the food on the table?
    while they may have been significant to us, however I am sure that is not the case with every and all cultures. I know their history with the horse isn't as long as the rest of the world, but native americans used horses for a variety of reasons, including transportation, war, and as a source of food. From everything I have ever seen, they LIKED mule meat a lot when they acquired it.

    I'm sure there's other cultures in the world that may have used the horse as you mention - the toil in the field, transportation, and yet ate them as well. Today they are more of a "commodity" than they have been in years past, and there's other areas that rather disgust me in how they are thought of or treated.
         
        03-28-2010, 12:18 PM
      #36
    Green Broke
    Not sure I was really following or read many of the posts on this thread. But I was reading my wormer box the other day and it said not to give to horses that are intended for human consumption. So i'm assuming your definitely not suposed to give them wormer!
         
        03-29-2010, 09:21 AM
      #37
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by masatisan    
    I think the thing that really makes horse slaughter feel wrong is that they're working animals, they (in the past at least) pulled our plows, powered our vehicles, carried our soldiers, worked day in and day out, for centuries, at man's will. There are very few other animals as historically significant as the horse, what person would ever think of eating the creature that turned the soil, turned the mill, and essentially was responsible for the food on the table?
    Actually, except for carrying soldiers into battle, the animal people most used to plow their fields, power their vehicles, turn the mill, and essentially responsible for putting food on the table were oxen.

    Horses were far too delicate and expensive for common, working class people. Hollywood has given us a distorted view of the horse's place in society, so that 'historical significance' people go on about is pretty much myth.

    Horses do pull the plow and are used as vehicle power for certain religious sects in today's society, but all they really are in the scheme of things in this day and age are expensive luxuries.

    Horses are a prey species and we are a predator species. There's no good reason why unwanted horses should not feed people or other meat-eating animals.

    Hype, hysteria, and hyperbole aside, it makes sense not to waste the amount of meat a horse can provide. To me, the real crime is putting all that protein in the ground when it could be used to feed others.

    Maura, my best and brightest is buried on my property. I promised him when I got him as a 4 y/o that he'd always be taken care of, I'd never let him suffer, and when his time came I'd let him go with dignity. He was 25 when I had him put down. I'm lucky in that where I live I can bury a large carcass, otherwise I'd have had to pay a renderer to come and get his body.

    I'm not saying anyone's pet horse should go to a slaughter plant. What I'm saying is there are plenty of unwanted, unrideable, and just plain crazy horses out there who can do one last service by providing food. Why is that a bad thing?
         
        03-29-2010, 11:41 AM
      #38
    Yearling
    If you go way back in time horses were originally used for eating before some clever clogs decided to domesticate it.
    I don't understand how horse slaughter is any different from cow slaughter, cows can be domesticated too.

    I hate the idea of horse slaughter though but I think its one of these things that has to be done.

    And the wormer thing is quite a good point but other animals like sheep and cattle get vaccinated and de-wormed, maby theres a special type, I dunno, i'll ask my dad
         
        04-04-2010, 06:25 AM
      #39
    Foal
    horse slaughter

    Crimsonhorse01, Another gullible PETA follower is correct.

    Almost all horse meds clearly state on the label, not intended for food animals. Most are prohibited substances. Horses that have received prohibited substances can never enter the food chain. There is no withdrawal period. Thatís a European Union and FDA rule. One of the most popular banned substance that almost every horse in America has received at some point in their life, is Bute. They cannot be slaughtered for human consumption. Bute can cause aplastic anemia (suppression of bone marrow) in humans.

    Pet food hasnít contained horse meat since the 80s, drugs being one of the reasons. Horses are not raised as food animals and do not have vet records as do livestock. There is no traceability and no way to certify they are free of banned substances. They should be humanely euthanized as we do with all non-food animals in our country. All horses that are bred for other purposes require meds to maintain peak performance and health. If people want to slaughter horses for food, they need to be bred and raised as food animals and not for other purposes Ė pasture ornaments, just like cows. They donít suddenly become food when their racing careers have ended or no longer can perform, provide service or work. That is a decision that must be made at birth. The EU will finally be enforcing the rules this July. They will require a 180 day holding period if there are no vet records. Within three years, full vet records from birth will be required.
         
        04-04-2010, 06:35 PM
      #40
    Trained
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    Pet food hasn’t contained horse meat since the 80s


    As far as I am aware, horse meat is still used in pet food in Australia. We don't call them slaughterhouses either, they are knackeries or 'doggers' - Because of the use of the meat in pet food and other pet products.


         

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