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  • Use of unregistered brand mark on stolen cattle
  • Proof of ownership for un registered horses

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    03-02-2012, 09:15 PM
  #71
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I don't have a problem at all with voluntary branding and brand inspections.

I do have a problem when the government tells me I can't move my personal property around without their paperwork.
     
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    03-09-2012, 08:51 AM
  #72
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I think it started with states that had open range laws. Which is why South Dakota has brand inspections west river and not east. Most states do not allow open range anymore.
     
    03-09-2012, 12:18 PM
  #73
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Originally Posted by mildot    
I don't have a problem at all with voluntary branding and brand inspections.

I do have a problem when the government tells me I can't move my personal property around without their paperwork.
Brand inspection is one of those government requirements that I agree with. It protects you and your livestock. For example, if 50 head of cattle appear on your privately owned range or BLM leased range - how do you know what diseases they have much less who owns them? Or, if 50 of your cattle disappear, your only protection is - brand inspection. It is not just for horses, but it protects against theft, disease (tracability not testing wise), etc.,. It does not require a brand.
     
    03-09-2012, 03:23 PM
  #74
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Originally Posted by Missy May    
Brand inspection is one of those government requirements that I agree with. It protects you and your livestock.
If it's for my protection, what business is it of yours, the government, or anyone else? Don't I get a say in this?

What if I don't care for the "protection"?

My unbranded livestock causes no direct harm to you or anyone else. So what gives anyone the right to make me get it branded?

Very few things get me more riled up than government intervention in my private affairs and property.
     
    03-09-2012, 04:34 PM
  #75
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Mildot, you are missing her point. You do not have to have a brand on your animal for brand inspections to be legit. They record markings and scars too. For some people, that is the only actual proof they have that they own their horse. So if your unregistered horse is stolen and the police recover it, you can actually prove that the animal is yours instead of depending on them taking you at your word.

The reason that some places still require it is antiquated, but still legitimate. Rustling was much more common in the western states than it was the eastern states. With brand inspections being required, then thieves had a harder time selling the stock that they stole.
     
    03-09-2012, 06:13 PM
  #76
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Originally Posted by mildot    
If it's for my protection, what business is it of yours, the government, or anyone else? Don't I get a say in this?

What if I don't care for the "protection"?

My unbranded livestock causes no direct harm to you or anyone else. So what gives anyone the right to make me get it branded?

Very few things get me more riled up than government intervention in my private affairs and property.
Well, I am no fan of government regulation, but in this case...it is not "new" regulation, it is age old.

Like mildot said, no brand is necessary. They can go by markings alone..these days most states are going to computerization for horses, they take "all sides" color photos to save "drawing" the markings...and it is stored for easy retreival.

If you move your horses, it can affect other horses - as well as you if there is no proof of ownership required in transit.

As mildot said, it is antiquated...and many are going to chips and tags for cattle b/c it is more effective...not necessarily required. But same "idea". Traceability may seem unimportant....until disease hits.
     
    03-09-2012, 06:21 PM
  #77
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Originally Posted by Missy May    
As mildot said, it is antiquated...and many are going to chips and tags for cattle b/c it is more effective...not necessarily required. But same "idea". Traceability may seem unimportant....until disease hits.
Nobody is going to chips and tags for livestock. Branding is the most immediate, permanent, effective way to identify livestock. I can ride through a herd of cows with nothing but my eyes and tell what cattle belong and which ones don't. Can't do that with microchips.
     
    03-09-2012, 06:46 PM
  #78
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
Nobody is going to chips and tags for livestock. Branding is the most immediate, permanent, effective way to identify livestock. I can ride through a herd of cows with nothing but my eyes and tell what cattle belong and which ones don't. Can't do that with microchips.
I agree w the ease of use. But, chips provide a lot more info, and are mostly used on the east coast...for now - but I doubt it will "never" come to the west. They also keeps stockyards honest.

As much as I don't like the branding process itself, there is no better way to immediately id a cow OR a horse. So, I would think - both would be the "ultimate".
     
    03-09-2012, 06:48 PM
  #79
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Originally Posted by smrobs    
Mildot, you are missing her point. You do not have to have a brand on your animal for brand inspections to be legit. They record markings and scars too. For some people, that is the only actual proof they have that they own their horse. So if your unregistered horse is stolen and the police recover it, you can actually prove that the animal is yours instead of depending on them taking you at your word.
I understand perfectly. I refer to the act of having an inspector record identifying information as "branding".

If someone wants to do that voluntarily, more power to them.

I have a major sore about me being forced to have it if I don't deem it necessary. And even more sore about having to have such paperwork to move my property around.

It's simple libertarianism, a concept many struggle with after years of conditioning that big daddy .gov knows best.
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    03-09-2012, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Missy May    
Well, I am no fan of government regulation, but in this case...it is not "new" regulation, it is age old.
Being age old is no proof of being right.


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Originally Posted by Missy May    
If you move your horses, it can affect other horses - as well as you if there is no proof of ownership required in transit.
Really? How so? What of my other personal property should I have to prove is mine to anyone? Certainly not my firearms, since there is no registration in the state that I live.


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Traceability may seem unimportant....until disease hits.
Whatever we would do in Ohio with tens of thousands of cattle and horses and no brand inspection?
     

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