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post #31 of 113 Old 03-17-2013, 12:57 PM
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Speed & Cherie Thanks for clarifying that. It seems wrong to me that a country can ban selling horsemeat for consumption like that - especially in a country where there are always going to be surplus horses and a section of the population who are either struggling with the affordability of meat and people who have no concerns about eating horsemeat.
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I know it sounds mean and bad. But think of it this way. The hay prices are so high people can't aford there horses. They can't sell them, so what do they do. Let them go into the desert. To die a slow and painful death. There are so many horses right now. I knew of many people that lost there homes and had to get rid of there horses because the price of everything was just to high. No one would by them. Great show horses, done everything. They had no money to pay for hay. They tried to give them to a rescue. No luck. Sadly the horses died. This is whats happens. There are just to many horses. Once unwanted breeding stops the horse market will get better.
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Anyone got any info on this bill?

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A new bill called The Safeguard American Food Exports (SAFE) Act in the US House will not only ban the slaughter of horses for human consumption in the United States but also prohibit the live export of horses for the same purpose.

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Update -- March 18 the House Bill went to the Senate Committee and they passed it 9-0.

It now goes to the full Senate. The full Senate can pass it like it is or can add amendments to it. Once they have ironed out all differences between the House and Senate Versions, it will go up to a full vote. As it looks now, it will pass. Out-of-state animal rights activists have descended on Oklahoma by the hundreds if not thousands. Most of them are funded by the fraudulent HSUS.

The Oklahoma Farm Bureau and every single Farm and ranch organization has gotten behind this.

They will NEVER be able to stop horses from leaving the US to go to Canada and Mexico because of NAFTA. The Mexican or Canadian Companies only have to send buyers to the US and they can say they are buying saddle horses and breeding stock and then can do what they want after they get them out of the country. NAFTA ensures that.

I will keep everyone updated.

Oklahoma residents -- You should write or call your State Representatives and Senators and let them know that Horses, horse owners and the whole industry needs to have a decent and humane way to turn unwanted horses into meat and money without making them travel thousands of miles. If this does not happen, the entire industry is on the brink of collapse.
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Oklahoma residents -- You should write or call your State Representatives and Senators and let them know that Horses, horse owners and the whole industry needs to have a decent and humane way to turn unwanted horses into meat and money without making them travel thousands of miles. If this does not happen, the entire industry is on the brink of collapse.
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post #36 of 113 Old 03-20-2013, 04:57 PM
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I find it odd that we don't have funding for White House tours & lots of other things sequestration money supposedly paid for but we have the money for inspectors at privately owned plants for a product we don't use.
I haven't seen anything that shows it will be humane.
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Here is the link to the research and he position of the AVMA (American Veterinary Medical Association). It goes into great detail and answers ALL of the questions and accusations made by Animal Rights organizations. Of course, they ignore all of them and just make accusations to the AVMA.

https://www.avma.org/KB/Resources/FA...slaughter.aspx

The entire paper is quite long, but I have copied the part that says the AVMA contacted Temple Grandin and it quoted word for word below. I have bolded the first two sentences of her reply to being asked if horse slaughter could be made humane. PLEASE, PLEASE read this entire paper in the link if you actually want to be objective. The animal rights nuts DO NOT want to be objective and they just dismiss everything that does not agree with their one and only firm position. The AVMA and the AAEP BOTH think that it can be made humane if managed correctly and is done here in the US.

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Q: I've heard that Temple Grandin, a world-renowned expert on slaughter and animal welfare, has said that it would be impossible to make horse slaughter humane. Is that true?
A: We've heard conflicting statements that have been attributed to Dr. Grandin, so we went "straight to the horse's mouth," so to speak, and asked her. Her reply was:
"It is possible to make horse slaughter humane. The problems I have seen on the various undercover videos are correctable. The two most important design features are a non-slip floor in the stun box and solid sides to prevent the horse from looking out onto the slaughter floor.
Handling and stunning works best if two people are employed. One person drives the horse into the stun box and shuts the door and the other shoots it. This enables the horse to be shot before it has a chance to get upset.
I am a big proponent of video auditing by a third party auditor over the internet. This prevents the problem of people acting good when they are being watched, and then engaging in rough handling when nobody is watching. Horse slaughter can be done humanely, but it will require the commitment of management to good animal welfare."
So now, no one can say that they have NEVER seen anything that says it can be done humanely and it has come straight from the AVMA and TEMPLE GRANDIN directly!!!

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Here is the link to the research and he position of the AVMA (American Veterinary Medical Association). It goes into great detail and answers ALL of the questions and accusations made by Animal Rights organizations. Of course, they ignore all of them and just make accusations to the AVMA.

https://www.avma.org/KB/Resources/FA...slaughter.aspx

The entire paper is quite long, but I have copied the part that says the AVMA contacted Temple Grandin and it quoted word for word below. I have bolded the first two sentences of her reply to being asked if horse slaughter could be made humane. PLEASE, PLEASE read this entire paper in the link if you actually want to be objective. The animal rights nuts DO NOT want to be objective and they just dismiss everything that does not agree with their one and only firm position. The AVMA and the AAEP BOTH think that it can be made humane if managed correctly and is done here in the US.

So now, no one can say that they have NEVER seen anything that says it can be done humanely and it has come straight from the AVMA and TEMPLE GRANDIN directly!!!
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No, stun guns were jot made for horses. Bolt guns though were made for much thicker skulled cattle. And they use bolt guns in the kill floor in horse slaughters as well.

I am all for this bill being passed. Being up in Canada you see enough skinny sick horses get shipped to slaughter plants. The trip.is a long enough one for them, let alone coming up from the US. And with customs they standthat much longer on a truck. Ever sat in a livestock trailer in the summer sun? Packed? Not cool at all. (Pardon the pun)

I would rather see the states have their own system for processing horses then have them going into mexico. There is little regulation there.

Temple Grandin is an amazing woman. If she can fix it then bring her in for the design process. Humane problem fixed.
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No, stun guns were jot made for horses. Bolt guns though were made for much thicker skulled cattle. And they use bolt guns in the kill floor in horse slaughters as well.

I am all for this bill being passed. Being up in Canada you see enough skinny sick horses get shipped to slaughter plants. The trip.is a long enough one for them, let alone coming up from the US. And with customs they standthat much longer on a truck. Ever sat in a livestock trailer in the summer sun? Packed? Not cool at all. (Pardon the pun)

I would rather see the states have their own system for processing horses then have them going into mexico. There is little regulation there.

Temple Grandin is an amazing woman. If she can fix it then bring her in for the design process. Humane problem fixed.
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