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        03-25-2013, 10:23 AM
      #41
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    Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallon said yesterday that she would sign the bill. Both versions have been reconciled and the entire Legislature should vote on them this week. So, we will see.

    When I have time I will address the differences between Temple Grandin and 'United Horsemen', the group she had agreed to speak to before she changed her mind.

    It was almost 2 years later when she was contacted by the AVMA and flatly stated that the slaughter process could be made humane.

    It might be noted that they have processed horses for centuries in Iceland and raise them for that purpose as well as use the processing plants for other horses that are no longer useful or wanted. People that have visited these plants say that they are calm, quiet and very efficient in their methods. The horses are not stressed and just calmly walk through the whole process. They use the 'captive bolt' method that is approved by the AVMA and the AAEP. 'Stun guns' are not approved. Captive Bolts kill the horse outright and do not just stun it. It is the same as a bullet without the loose projectile. A bullet is far better in my experience than poison chemical euthanasia.
         
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        03-25-2013, 10:36 AM
      #42
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    I have taken my own horses and those belonging to other people to the Red Lion Slaughter Yard in Cheshire UK that was badly slated for abuse recently just before the whole horsemeat lasagna/burger thing exploded. They also came and shot horses on the yard where I worked where people wanted some cash for the carcass rather than giving it to the local hunt.
    They always treated the horses with great respect and I never saw any signs of otherwise - yet things did go wrong as shown in the video footage someone took there but this only highlights the need for some sort of surveillance systems and not a ban on the yards themselves
    I'm sure they will find a way to close the loophole on out of country slaughter yards buying here and transporting them to Canada or Mexico so I don't see that as a reliable option or alternative to having US yards up and running
         
        03-25-2013, 11:01 AM
      #43
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    Pro-slaughter here.

    The fact of the matter the is that the darn critters do NOT live forever. Aside from the question of whether young horses should be killed (would rather see that than starvation), what about old horses that have no time left?

    Disposing of a horse carcass is not a trivial matter, either. In this day and age of greeness, horse slaughter is a way of also recycling the organic matter of the horse's body into other uses: meat, leather, horse hair, etc.

    And I for one, don't understand why their meat can not be used for dog and cat food. Considering the cost of animal feed and that the Chinese will include poison in animal feed, why are we wasting this resource?

    Ditto for human consumption. I just personally would rather not eat my friends or their relatives. :)
         
        03-25-2013, 09:27 PM
      #44
    Banned
    Dogs were much healthier back in the day when most dog food was mainly horse meat.
         
        03-26-2013, 10:25 PM
      #45
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    The OK Senate passed the same bill that the House passed so now it goes to the governor. Everyone says she will sign it. We'll have to see what happens.

    If you don't think a bunch of the animal Rights nuts are terrorists, the Republican House member that introduced the bill has been getting death threats and is now getting 24 hour State Police protection.
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        03-26-2013, 11:31 PM
      #46
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    Originally Posted by Cherie    
    The OK Senate passed the same bill that the House passed so now it goes to the governor. Everyone says she will sign it. We'll have to see what happens.

    If you don't think a bunch of the animal Rights nuts are terrorists, the Republican House member that introduced the bill has been getting death threats and is now getting 24 hour State Police protection.
    Maybe we need to re-instate public hangings for those making the death threats.
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        03-28-2013, 07:04 PM
      #47
    Green Broke
    1) I would not sell my horse for slaughter (knowingly) I do not take horses to auction. THe auction was for horses someone needed to 'dump' .
    2) Man has caused the problem with horses, thus creating the need for slaughter.
    3) Federal description of horses are as livestock. They are Livestock. They are not pets.
    4) States do not have to allow slaughter. If they do , then there should not be sales tax on horse feed.
    5)drug companies will need to make horse products safer, so they dissipate in the muscle tissue as do meds for cattle and sheep.
    To stop slaughter.. STOP breeding. Stop poor training. Lower Feed prices , to do so means to have lower property tax, water rates,fuel cost, liability ins cost, etc etc..
         
        03-28-2013, 11:37 PM
      #48
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    You are only partially correct.

    Auctions are not just for people to 'dump' horses. But, if they own them, it is their right to sell them at an auction or anywhere else.

    The local auction sells horses from $20.00 to more than $3000.00 every single sale. An estate of a man that raised reiners and cutters sold all of those horses through the last 'Monday night sale' and they brought from about $400.00 up to $4,000.00 or $5,000.00. Over 250 horses sold. About 100 of those horses brought no other bids accept from the slaughter buyer. The others brought up to $5000.00.

    So, your contention that they are just dumped is really very uninformed. They were all horses that the previous owner did not want for probably 50 different reasons. Buyers were there for all of them. Thankfully that included the hated 'killer buyers'. What do you think would happen to all of THOSE horses if no one was there to bid on them?

    Most of the trail horse prospects that I buy are from an auction. Most of the 'kid horse' prospects that I help parents buy are from an auction. I would rather buy at an auction than from an individual. I am not a 'trader' and I do not buy them to re-sell. Surprised? Why would I NOT want to drive a short distance to be able to pick from probably 30 possible prospects than drive all over the country to look at an individual horse that has probably been misrepresented and is priced several hundred dollars higher than I will have to pay at an auction?. Why would I NOT want to buy from a place where I can pick out a horse or two and I can set the price that I am willing to to pay?

    Auctions set the value of almost all horses -- those sold at auction and those sold privately. Most cutting prospects and many broodmares and cutting performers are purchased through the auctions held at the NCHA Futurity and other NCHA events held in Fort Worth. Most TB yearlings as well as breeding stock are purchased through the TB sales in Lexington, KY and other places. The race prospect sales held each year in Okc, OK at Heritage Place are where many barrel racers as well as race horse owners buy their prospects.

    So when people make real uniformed remarks about auctions, I know that they know little about the horse business. These are the same people that are trying to shut down slaughter markets completely. Only thing is, they have no idea of what would or could happen when the lowest end of the horses sold if there was no one to bid on them at all. Where do you think they would all go?
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        03-29-2013, 05:19 PM
      #49
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    Well, Oklahoma Governor Fallon just signed the bill into law allowing horse processing in Oklahoma. Now, every state that has companies or individuals that want to open processing facilities must wait and see if the USDA will come through with trained inspectors like they are supposed to. Definitely not a done deal.
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        03-30-2013, 12:49 AM
      #50
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    Originally Posted by Cherie    
    Well, Oklahoma Governor Fallon just signed the bill into law allowing horse processing in Oklahoma. Now, every state that has companies or individuals that want to open processing facilities must wait and see if the USDA will come through with trained inspectors like they are supposed to. Definitely not a done deal.
    Definitely not done yet. Any word on SB 375? I'm actually rather surprised that HB 1999 raised all the ruckus and I haven't heard much about this 2nd bill, except that it exists and appears to have passed the senate and house....but where's it at now?
         

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