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    03-30-2013, 02:02 AM
  #51
Yearling
I REALLY hope that they will allow horse processing. I was completely biting my nails about a ban...I even had to boot one of my FB friends who kept posting these completely ignorant, awful things about anti-slaughter, who then when faced with logical argument turned around and said "horses just aren't slaughtered for food in my world"...

I really want to message her, like so many others and say: "how about you stop posting passive aggressive crap all over FB and get up off your arse and DO SOMETHING About all these things you're complaining about?"

Every time I suggested she go rescue a horse "Oh, I donate money to the rescues. Unlike *YOU*, I can't afford to board a horse!"

I even asked her where she thinks all the horses no one wants will go? She suggested they can live in the WILD like always.

GAH!!!!

Anyway, in this economy, god, there has to be an outlet....another poster said something along the lines of killing a horse and not using the meat is like cutting down a tree and not using the wood. I agree wholeheartedly.

It's too bad we can't implement an idea that my non-horsey husband had...he suggested that only people who actually HAVE horses should be able to have a say in the slaughterhouse matter. Otherwise....dammit shut your piehole!! (that part is mine)

(Please note, that wasn't the only reason I unfriended her, just the last straw in an ongoing chain of years and years of her political agendas, rants and prejudicial commentaries. Finally realized she wasn't even remotely interested in reality, or logic....)
     
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    03-30-2013, 11:27 AM
  #52
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Pat,
The Senate dropped their bill completely and voted on the House version without any changes. So, the house version, HB1099, is what has become law. They kept with the version that does not allow horse meat to be sold in OK. The Farm Bureau would only help if that was included. It was included to protect the beef industry. Cattlemen do not want any competition from cheaper red meat from horses. The only reason it passed and went through so quickly is because the Farm Bureau is very powerful but are going to protect their biggest group of members.

IF they can get inspectors, the plant at Goldsby (Muslim owned and will not process pork for anyone) will be the first processing site for horses. Now, they do mostly sheep and goats for the Muslim community here.

They will 'retro-fit' their plant for horses -- probably not the best way to get one set up right. The New Mexico plant will be the first one in the US if they can get inspectors.
     
    03-30-2013, 01:43 PM
  #53
Trained
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Originally Posted by Cherie    
Pat,
The Senate dropped their bill completely and voted on the House version without any changes. So, the house version, HB1099, is what has become law. They kept with the version that does not allow horse meat to be sold in OK. The Farm Bureau would only help if that was included. It was included to protect the beef industry. Cattlemen do not want any competition from cheaper red meat from horses. The only reason it passed and went through so quickly is because the Farm Bureau is very powerful but are going to protect their biggest group of members.

IF they can get inspectors, the plant at Goldsby (Muslim owned and will not process pork for anyone) will be the first processing site for horses. Now, they do mostly sheep and goats for the Muslim community here.

They will 'retro-fit' their plant for horses -- probably not the best way to get one set up right. The New Mexico plant will be the first one in the US if they can get inspectors.
OK, I hadn't heard that SB 375 had been dropped. The way it sounded when they were voting on HB 1999 was that someone asked McNeil about including lifting the ban on human consumption in her bill and she told them to go write their own bill if that's what they wanted, she wanted hers to stand as it was. So, someone then wrote SB 375, and it sounded like (AT THAT TIME) that it also passed and was headed to the gov's office. Seems silly to me to approve one without the other, if nothing else, as an alternative to beef which is getting way too expensive for many. I don't think the cattlemen would ever have to worry about serious competition from horse meat, there's just tooo much emotion/stigma attached. But.....it is what it is and I'm glad we at least have approved the processing if we can get an inspector. I have my doubts about that too, especially with sequestration going on.
     
    03-31-2013, 04:58 AM
  #54
Yearling
By process what exactly do they mean? Sorry I am a little confused.
     
    03-31-2013, 08:17 AM
  #55
Super Moderator
"Process" or "harvest" are the kinder and gentler terms for slaughtering an animal. "Harvest" is now the term used by hunters and Game and Fish Departments instead of killing game animals. With the animal rights nuts around, everything has to be more 'politically correct'. Plus, we would not want to traumatize our children.

Kind of like the term "euthanize". Vets and animal owners just don't like the blunt term like "We had to kill 'Dobbin' or 'Bowzer'". Euthanize is the kinder and gentler term.

In case you did not know, "cheval" is the name for 'horse meat. Just like cow meat is "beef" and pig meat is "pork", horse meat is "cheval". Just so you'll know what it is on a menu.

We are all waiting to see if they will open up the little processing plants that do 'custom processing' to process equines for private individuals. No inspection is required for custom processors that now process pigs and cattle for individuals that own the animal. We take our bison that we are ready to process to a small family owned plant in Madill, OK.
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    03-31-2013, 06:46 PM
  #56
Yearling
Oh thanks for clearing that up. I hope however it happens its humane. I don't like slaughter but its better then horses being starved to death. Or making long journeys. It would be better if it opened up in OK.
     
    03-31-2013, 11:00 PM
  #57
Foal
I am against horse slaughter. WHY? Because it is inhumane, provides no economic benefit to the country, does NOT reduce the cases of abuse and neglect, and it essentially provides no benefit except for the monetary gain of the select few involved in the horse slaughter industry.

Okay, now let me support my statements.
1) Horse slaughter provides no economic benefit to the country.

A letter from Paula Bacon, of Kaufman, TX, where she was mayor, describes the economic impact of having a slaughter plant in the town: "A horse slaughter plant creates expensive environmental problems for tax payers [and] profoundly affects our crime rate" (Horse Slaughter - Mary Nash's Horse Slaughter Website, "Mayor Paula Bacon Letter Regarding Horse Slaughter and the Effects on Her Community"). Bacon also stated that "had the slaughter plant not closed in 2007, our town would have been required to spend a minimum of $6 million...to build a new wastewater treatment plant" due to the large amounts of waste produced from the slaughter house. Also, toward the end of its operation, the Dallas Crown horse slaughter plant refused to pay the fines for the citations regarding their violations and instead, wanted separate trials regarding each citation. At one time, the plant owed $916,000 in potential fines. The trials were never resolved so the city was left to compensate for the multiple violations of the plant (pg. 4). Also, horse slaughter plants do not provide quality jobs or even many jobs in the first place. In 2006, no more than 178 jobs were supplied by all three of the slaughter houses in the United States. Also, they almost exclusively employed Hispanic immigrants (Horse Slaughter - Mary Nash's Horse Slaughter Website, "Mayor Paula Bacon Letter Regarding Horse Slaughter..."). Dr. Temple Grandin also stated that horse employees who do the killing, bleeding, shackling, and driving should be rotated (grandin.com, "Behavior of Slaughter Plant and Auction Employees...") most likely due to the psychological stress of a job at a slaughter plant.

2) Horse slaughter does not reduce the cases of abuse and neglect.

When horse slaughter rates fell in the 1990's and early 2000's, there was no corresponding rise in neglect or abuse cases and Illinois neglect and abuse cases actually fell when the Cavel horse slaughter plant was temporarily shut down (homesforhorses.org, "Debunking the unwanted horse myth").

3) Horse slaughter is inhumane.

The entire process from being loaded onto overcrowded, double-decker stock trailers on a trip during which the horses are confined for up to 24 hours with no food, rest, or water (USDA, "Slaughter Horse Transport Program"; vetsforequinewelfare.org, "White Paper"), to the actual slaughtering process. While in double-decker stock trailers, horses are unable to put their heads up in a normal position due to the inadequate height of the ceiling. This frequently causes horses to slip and fall on the urine-covered floor due to their inability to balance. In the United States, the accepted method for rendering horses unconscious is called the penetrating captive bolt. The penetrating captive bolt is a device that shoots a metal rod into the brain of an animal. It was originally designed for cattle, whose brain is positioned more anterior in the skull than that of a horse. This causes issues in the efficacy of the method, often requiring multiple blows to render the horse unconscious. Although it can, under certain circumstances, be used efficiently by a veterinarian, slaughter houses do not use veterinarians (vetsforequinewelfare.org, "White Paper"). Also, for proper administration of this device, the horse's head must be adequately restrained to ensure accuracy (avma.org, "Guidelines on Euthanasia”). This does not happen in slaughter houses. Finally, the captive bolt method has been shown through electroencephalograph monitoring that it causes pain when administered (themodernreligion.com, "Islamic Method of Slaughtering Animals is Better - Scientific Reason") which is contrary to the AVMA's definition of humane euthanasia.


Additional sources:
The Humane Society, "Facts on Horse Slaughter", The Facts on Horse Slaughter : The Humane Society of the United States

The Homes for Horses Coalition, "Horse Slaughter - The Facts", The Homes for Horses Coalition Horse Slaughter - The Facts
     
    03-31-2013, 11:07 PM
  #58
Yearling
1) Really? So the people hired to work in the plants aren't receiving any economic benefit (aka, getting PAID) to work there? *scratches head*

PS. If that's your argument, neither does ANIMAL EUTH which happens DAILY in kill shelters. Do dogs and cats not matter anymore? Or are you just mad because it's a horse, and you don't have to think of the thousands of puppy bodies piled up daily?

2)Yes. Yes it does. Desperate broke people do desperate things...like dumping dying horses in parking lots in Cali...

3) Yes, it is. But Temple Grandin (sp?) said that it can be MADE humane. And btw, how is that any worse than killing cattle.

Do you eat meat? ANY meat, that you don't kill yourself? Guess what...probably died "inhumanely".


So what's your take on HOW TO FIX THIS?

Don't stop slaughter, stop the IDIOTS that keep breeding horses for no reason except to have a CUTE BABY, or fancy mutts just to sell on their local Craigslist. FIND A SOLUTION instead of complaining all over the internet and finding ways to stop slaughter and make the problem WORSE!!!!!!
     
    03-31-2013, 11:27 PM
  #59
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by CowboyBob    
5. Who will benefit from the meat? Only European companies will make a tidy profit from the meat and spend next to nothing in Oklahoma except lawyer fees.

Maybe we should start eating them too?
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Horse meat is not healthy. We administer many medications (phenylbutazone to name one) which are not approved by the FDA or the EU for use on animals designed for human consumption. They have been shown to be carcinogenic. Give up on the idea of the US allowing the consumption of horse meat produced here. It has already been banned from dog food and soon, the EU will ban the import of US horse meat. Furthermore, allowing slaughter houses in the US will put the country at a great risk for being included in the meat scandal that is taking place in Europe. Right now, the food supply is not at risk as they do not import beef from Europe, and no horses are slaughtered in the country, but if slaughter is allowed to occur in the United States, we will no longer be able to say that our food supply is any safer than Europe's. It will affect beef sales in our country (in Europe, beef sales dropped by 30% following the horse meat scandal).

Horse slaughter is not good for our country. Please learn the facts about this.
     
    03-31-2013, 11:43 PM
  #60
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Allegro    
Horse slaughter is not good for our country. Please learn the facts about this.
You say this as if you have done your research, but I am reading your posts very clearly, and they reveal that you have researched only SELECTIVELY.

Medicines exit the body in due time. So does Bute. I'm currently reasearching the metabolism of phenylbutazone on Pubmed.

I trust Pubmed FAR FAR more than I trust you or any other person with an agenda, especially one that in my experience is usually based on EMOTION rather than logic and problem solving.
     

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