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        03-31-2013, 11:51 PM
      #61
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by demonwolfmoon    
    1) Really? So the people hired to work in the plants aren't receiving any economic benefit (aka, getting PAID) to work there? *scratches head*

    PS. If that's your argument, neither does ANIMAL EUTH which happens DAILY in kill shelters. Do dogs and cats not matter anymore? Or are you just mad because it's a horse, and you don't have to think of the thousands of puppy bodies piled up daily?

    2)Yes. Yes it does. Desperate broke people do desperate things...like dumping dying horses in parking lots in Cali...

    3) Yes, it is. But Temple Grandin (sp?) said that it can be MADE humane. And btw, how is that any worse than killing cattle.

    Do you eat meat? ANY meat, that you don't kill yourself? Guess what...probably died "inhumanely".


    So what's your take on HOW TO FIX THIS?

    Don't stop slaughter, stop the IDIOTS that keep breeding horses for no reason except to have a CUTE BABY, or fancy mutts just to sell on their local Craigslist. FIND A SOLUTION instead of complaining all over the internet and finding ways to stop slaughter and make the problem WORSE!!!!!!
    I am so sick of pro-slaughter people dragging dogs and cats into the issue. It is a completely different situation. The euthanasia (humane or otherwise) of cats and dogs in shelters does not compare to horse slaughter. The euthanasia of dogs and cats does not provide economic benefit to anyone. Horse slaughter is all about money. Many of the horses sent to slaughter can be used.

    The solution to the unwanted horse problem is BANNING slaughter. With horse slaughter being banned, there will no longer be a dumping ground for irresponsible breeding. According to sales records from the Old Holland Livestock Auction (one of the largest slaughter auctions in the country), immediately following the ban on horse slaughter, there were less "loose horses" (what the horse industry considers unwanted horses) at the auction, and those horses were sold for more money. A majority of the horses sent to slaughter come from owners who have the resources and intelligence to sell the horses they send to slaughter, or even keep them. They merely choose slaughter because it is the easier route. If they took responsibility, the rescues which try and save the horses could focus on the horses who are from owners that cannot afford the horse anymore. The truth is, most of the horses sent to slaughter do not come from the backyard breeders who think the horse is cute. They come from the racing industry, PMU ranches, and breeders who breed on a large scale. Only 1% of America's horses are sent to slaughter. That number is less than the number of breeders in the US. If each breeder just bred one less horse, that would remove the same number of horses as slaughter, but without encouraging the irresponsible breeding. Banning slaughter will remove the incentive to breed without though of the repercussions of their actions. It will make owners take responsibility for their horses and find proper homes for them.

    Regarding the people getting paid to work, there were only 178 employess in all THREE slaughter houses that were running in the united states. The benefits of their income is greatly offset by the negative economical impacts on the towns where the plants are located, on the rest of the meat industry, and on the horse industry.

    She said it could be made humane through all the regulations she proposed, but the truth is, those regulations are not going to happen. The constant video monitoring that she mentioned is not going to happen (she mentioned that undercover video footage showed very different treatment compared to the treatment of the animals when she visited the slaughter houses. Also, she said head restraint should not be used in horses receiving the blow from the penetrating captive bolt. This decreases accuracy of the blow, thus causing horses to not be rendered unconscious with the first blow. As horse meat is not going to be consumed in the United States, it will have a lesser priority for governmental funding regarding inspections than plants that process beef and other meat.

    Horse slaughter is different from that of cattle. The heads of cattle are restrained during the administration of the penetrating captive bolt. This is not the case with horses. Also, the penetrating captive bolt was designed for cattle, whose brains are located anterior to that of a horse. This makes the blow far less effective when administered to horses.

    I eat meat, yes. We have chickens that we raise and butcher ourselves. They are butchered humanely.
         
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        04-01-2013, 12:05 AM
      #62
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by demonwolfmoon    
    You say this as if you have done your research, but I am reading your posts very clearly, and they reveal that you have researched only SELECTIVELY.

    Medicines exit the body in due time. So does Bute. I'm currently reasearching the metabolism of phenylbutazone on Pubmed.

    I trust Pubmed FAR FAR more than I trust you or any other person with an agenda, especially one that in my experience is usually based on EMOTION rather than logic and problem solving.
    Look it up on FDA. It says: NOT APPROVED FOR USE IN EQUINES DESIGNED FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. It is stored in muscle tissues for a long time. Other Medications not allowed for use in horses designed for human consumption include: acepromazine maleate, boldenone undecylenate, omeprazole, ketoprofen, ivermectin, xylazine HCl, hyaluronic acid (sodium hyaluronate), pyrantel tartrate, nitrofurazone, polysulfated glycosaminoglycan, clenbuterol HCl, tolazoline HCl, moxidectin, ponazuril.

    I have to go for the night as I have to work in the morning. I will respond at the next opportunity.
         
        04-01-2013, 12:05 AM
      #63
    Yearling
    I guess the whole point you're missing in your rabid diatribe is that NO ONE WANTS THOSE HORSES.

    I had a friend like you on my FB list who was just as big into yelling about how evil horse slaughter was....you know what? I suggested she go rescue a horse. Her response? "I donate to the rescues...I can't AFFORD to board a horse like YOU can"

    Um. Right. So you can disparage horse slaughter, but what do you propose happens to all the unwanted horses? All well and good that you have a theory about the slow trickle decline of breeding, but given that horses live 30+ years, what happens to all those poor things on the ground that NO ONE CAN AFFORD, including my loud, loud, imaginative friend?

    How is that not comparable to dogs and cats? How many purebreds end up euthed in shelters because no one wants or can afford them. DO YOU THINK THEY WERENT BRED FOR MONEY? Are you kidding me? Who breeds german shepherds (saw at kill shelter, 8 weeks old) and other pure breds *not* for economic reasons?
    Heh.

    Find a viable solution, and I'll get onboard. I don't even LIKE eating meat, unlike you, so I'll be ALL OVER a solution that means less dead and WASTED animals.

    PS) If they're going to die, why aren't we feeding our poor/our dogs/our zoos with them? At least then, their death has *some* benefit.
         
        04-01-2013, 12:06 AM
      #64
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Allegro    
    Look it up on FDA. It says: NOT APPROVED FOR USE IN EQUINES DESIGNED FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. It is stored in muscle tissues for a long time. Other Medications not allowed for use in horses designed for human consumption include: acepromazine maleate, boldenone undecylenate, omeprazole, ketoprofen, ivermectin, xylazine HCl, hyaluronic acid (sodium hyaluronate), pyrantel tartrate, nitrofurazone, polysulfated glycosaminoglycan, clenbuterol HCl, tolazoline HCl, moxidectin, ponazuril.

    I have to go for the night as I have to work in the morning. I will respond at the next opportunity.
    Actually, the FDA hasn't researched it. Read a little deeper ;)
         
        04-01-2013, 01:58 AM
      #65
    Trained
    Is it true that the USDA botched this?

    Allegro, do you eat cows?
         
        04-01-2013, 10:22 AM
      #66
    Super Moderator
    The 'WASTED' animals are those chemically euthanized and thrown away.

    Whenever I find someone that just regurgitates and repeats word for word the outright lies and half-truths that the animal rights nuts spew, I automatically know several things:

    1) They are not true 'horsemen' and do not nor ever have derived their living and existence from any aspect of the horse industry. If they were, they would know that most of the Animal rights nuts' talking points are totally or partially untrue.

    2) They have not done their own research or, again, they would find that most of the Animal rights nuts have 'cherry picked' their talking points and ignored the 'facts' and statement of REAL informed people and groups like the AVMA, the AAEP and even Temple Grandin, the 'darling' of the anti-slaughter nuts.

    3) They have NOT researched how horse processing in places like Iceland (where horses are raised for meat) is performed in a completely humane way.

    4) They do not understand how 'economics' and the 'laws of supply and demand' work and how personal property rights are viewed by everyone but them. They do not want to recognize that SUPPLY and DEMAND are ALWAYS are out of sync with each other.

    The supply grows because of great demand and the economics of supplying that demand is a good 'business decision'. Ten or twelve years ago, you could not buy a good prospect for less than $2500.00 to $5000.00 -- so, obviously, people increased the number of mares being bred, particularly saddle horses to fill the great demand for recreational trail and pleasure horses and weekend competitive horses like penning, roping, barrel racing, equitation horses, 4-H and other weekend show horses. The problem comes when the supply outgrows the demand at the same time there is an economic downturn, high unemployment and a recession as severe as the crash of 2007-2008.

    One of the biggest problems is that horses outlive these normal economic cycles. When horses are bred and raised and sold for a lot of money as prospects and 10, 20 and even 30 years later, these same horses find themselves in the middle of a huge recession, are no longer competitive or useful and can no longer be afforded by the very people that paid a lot of money for them years earlier. The exact same thing happened in the real estate and housing industry. In two years it went from "Build and grow the supply of new horses as fast as you can" to "record numbers of bank foreclosures and abandoned properties". These growth cycles in an industry are inevitable. They are never going to see supply and demand in sync with each other.

    Surely ALL animal rights nuts are not too stupid to understand this. It is NOT a 'breeding problem' when there was a great demand for the horses at the time they were bred, raised and sold the first time.

    But the animal right nuts will never admit this and will always think they have it right. There will always be 'unwanted horses' and there will always be a need for a humane way to make 100,000 to 200,000 of them leave the marketplace each and every year. The horses available will never be the horses that are in demand. There is no place that this many horses can go. They cannot just disappear. To poison them and waste the meat is insane. The animal rights nuts' REAL AGENDA is to stop all animal ownership and use. They would like to force their radical views on everyone. NO PETS -- NO HORSES OWNED OR USED -- NO PRODUCT OR MEDICINE TESTING -- NO MEAT OR ANIMAL PRODUCTS AVAILABLE TO BE EATEN OR USED!!!! They have one of the most radical agendas of any group in the US, right along with terrorists that want to kill us. Both want to see our way of life and values destroyed.
         
        04-01-2013, 10:37 AM
      #67
    Super Moderator
    Bute isn't allowed in any animal going for slaughter - not just horses so its unlikely that clinical research trails on the use of it in horses for slaughter will ever be done. It was banned for use as a human medication a long time ago because of the high cancer risks and other side effects that people suffered from it.
    Although horses may be considered as livestock in some ways as far as the food chain goes they still aren't so no actual accepted trials have ever been done on horse medications and risks to the people eating the horse treated with them which is why so many meds are simply 'banned'
    There have also been no studies carried out on the effects of crops fed to horses that have been treated with pesticides etc - this has to be done with all other livestock before an Ag. Chem. Can be registered and is currently a big loophole in the horse meat industry.
    Livestock farmed for the food chain is slaughtered in its prime - young animals generally less than two years old and certified as healthy and not unwanted old, sick etc animals
    The US needs a slaughter business to control the high numbers of unwanted stock but quality meat for the dinner table isn't essentially what they will be. Pet food is a better option for low standard meat
         
        04-01-2013, 10:44 AM
      #68
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cherie    
    The 'WASTED' animals are those chemically euthanized and thrown away.

    Whenever I find someone that just regurgitates and repeats word for word the outright lies and half-truths that the animal rights nuts spew, I automatically know several things:

    1) They are not true 'horsemen' and do not nor ever have derived their living and existence from any aspect of the horse industry. If they were, they would know that most of the Animal rights nuts' talking points are totally or partially untrue.

    2) They have not done their own research or, again, they would find that most of the Animal rights nuts have 'cherry picked' their talking points and ignored the 'facts' and statement of REAL informed people and groups like the AVMA, the AAEP and even Temple Grandin, the 'darling' of the anti-slaughter nuts.

    3) They have NOT researched how horse processing in places like Iceland (where horses are raised for meat) is performed in a completely humane way.

    4) They do not understand how 'economics' and the 'laws of supply and demand' work and how personal property rights are viewed by everyone but them. They do not want to recognize that SUPPLY and DEMAND are ALWAYS are out of sync with each other.

    The supply grows because of great demand and the economics of supplying that demand is a good 'business decision'. Ten or twelve years ago, you could not buy a good prospect for less than $2500.00 to $5000.00 -- so, obviously, people increased the number of mares being bred, particularly saddle horses to fill the great demand for recreational trail and pleasure horses and weekend competitive horses like penning, roping, barrel racing, equitation horses, 4-H and other weekend show horses. The problem comes when the supply outgrows the demand at the same time there is an economic downturn, high unemployment and a recession as severe as the crash of 2007-2008.

    One of the biggest problems is that horses outlive these normal economic cycles. When horses are bred and raised and sold for a lot of money as prospects and 10, 20 and even 30 years later, these same horses find themselves in the middle of a huge recession, are no longer competitive or useful and can no longer be afforded by the very people that paid a lot of money for them years earlier. The exact same thing happened in the real estate and housing industry. In two years it went from "Build and grow the supply of new horses as fast as you can" to "record numbers of bank foreclosures and abandoned properties". These growth cycles in an industry are inevitable. They are never going to see supply and demand in sync with each other.

    Surely ALL animal rights nuts are not too stupid to understand this. It is NOT a 'breeding problem' when there was a great demand for the horses at the time they were bred, raised and sold the first time.

    But the animal right nuts will never admit this and will always think they have it right. There will always be 'unwanted horses' and there will always be a need for a humane way to make 100,000 to 200,000 of them leave the marketplace each and every year. The horses available will never be the horses that are in demand. There is no place that this many horses can go. They cannot just disappear. To poison them and waste the meat is insane. The animal rights nuts' REAL AGENDA is to stop all animal ownership and use. They would like to force their radical views on everyone. NO PETS -- NO HORSES OWNED OR USED -- NO PRODUCT OR MEDICINE TESTING -- NO MEAT OR ANIMAL PRODUCTS AVAILABLE TO BE EATEN OR USED!!!! They have one of the most radical agendas of any group in the US, right along with terrorists that want to kill us. Both want to see our way of life and values destroyed.
    ^^this!

    Wayne Pacelle, president of HSUS in may 1993:

    "We have no ethical obligation to preserve the different breeds of livestock produced through selective breeding.....one generation and out!
    We have no problem with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding"
    smrobs, COWCHICK77, Cherie and 3 others like this.
         
        04-01-2013, 11:09 AM
      #69
    Super Moderator
    Thank you deserthorsewoman.

    Quote:
    Bute isn't allowed in any animal going for slaughter - not just horses so its unlikely that clinical research trails on the use of it in horses for slaughter will ever be done.
    Bute is not allowed in slaughter animals ONLY because no withdrawal times have been established by laboratory testing like has been done with all medications used in traditional food animals. Same is true of Banamine and several other anti-inflammatory drugs not used in food animals. That testing is being done now and withdrawal times will be established.

    Early testing has found that Bute has a very short half-life -- hence why it must be given 2 times daily for good results. Early testing indicates that only traces of it can be found after only 72 hours and most of it is found in the liver -- which has to detoxify it.

    Bute was used extensively in the 60s in humane medicine. I was prescribed Bute (still remember it came in orange and white capsules) when I had a serious knee injury. I was warned that a few people that stayed on it too long could get 'aplastic anemia' so I had frequent blood tests while on it. It was so hard on my stomach that quit taking it long before I was supposed to. I had my knee drained and injected several times and finally cleared it up with DMSO.

    The big BUTE SCARE is just another lie and half truth spread by the animal rights nuts to try to destroy the market for horse meat and thus stop slaughter from that end.

    NOT ONE PERSON OR GROUP OF PEOPLE CAN DOCUMENT ONE SINGLE CASE OF ANYONE EVER BEING HARMED, KILLED OR SICKENED BY EATING HORSE MEAT!

    Do the research and find one single case of 'tainted horse meat' actually causing even a tiny bit if harm. Lots of people have died of eating beef. Horse meat has a much safer track record. Frankly, if we did not raise and have our own meat animals custom processed, I would consider 'cheval' to be a safer product.
         
        04-01-2013, 11:18 AM
      #70
    Trained
    Allegro, here is an article on Cattlenetwork.com, Horse-slaughter debate heats up. Just to give you a small sample of how the beef industry feels about horse slaughter.

    Horse slaughter has not effected beef prices the past and it will not now...
    This article proves where you get your "information".
         

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