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        10-17-2012, 03:36 PM
      #11
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
    Sounds like you're doing everything right indeed! My horses should be so 'spoiled'! LOL!

    I hated suggesting putting down the blind horse, I know that otherwise she sounds perfectly healthy. But.... I had a gelding who got run through a fence and when the fence broke (new place hadn't got rid of all the barbed wire yet) it snapped up and blinded one eye. He got so spooky on that one side that it was pretty amazing. He had his one good eye and he adjusted and is just fine now, but had it been both eyes, he'd have forced me to euthanize him because he just wouldn't have been safe to be around. It sounds like your mare is suffering because she's bottom of the pole, so to speak, and just isn't thriving. Maybe not being actively picked on or beat up but not thriving and doing well. Only you can make that call.

    I wish you good luck. Don't know why you're being picked on but stubborness and ignorance frequently go hand in hand and that's just plain scary.
    LOL I don't consider them spoiled, just loved. They've always had at least the basic care that they required.

    When the App went blind, she spent the next 6 months or so in a stall and wouldn't come out no matter how much I enticed her with food, pushed from behind as someone pulled, or just pleaded with her for hours to come out. She has come a long way since then and willingly goes wherever I lead her. But, like you said, despite not being actively picked on, she has failed to thrive. The others don't really interact with her at all, and she sorta hangs out at the edges of their circle.

    It's funny you should mention ignorance. When the AC supervisor came out the first time and was taking notes on names, breeds, etc. The mares were coming up the hill to where we were - 2 bay TBs, a brown QH and the flaxen chestnut roan app pony (she's 13 hands btw). She asked me if the app was a TB too and then asked what color she was, when I answered, she questioned that! You're here, investigating me, and have to ask such simple questions you should already know...
         
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        10-17-2012, 04:55 PM
      #12
    Weanling
    Through reading all your posts, I can tell that you really care for these horses, and that you are trying everything you can to help them. I'm in a situation similar to yours (regarding the unhealthy look of the horses) and I would be VERY upset if animal control accused me of neglect. This is all your need while you're trying to care for your sick horses, and worrying over what's best for them. This ac officer is ridiculous! Its obvious that you are doing everything possible- as you said the vet vouched for you. I could understand a case if the horses had never received veterinary care, but that is not the case here. I would call the manager and tell them to back off, or else you'll be taking it to the media (who will jump all over a story of ac harassing someone who is caring for a sick animal and has a vet helping- sick animals pull on people's heartstrings;)).
    My guys starting to get skinny, and I really hope ac around here isn't like where you are, otherwise I may get someone knocking on my door too!
    Sorry for the rant, but this one hit close to home and I can see myself exactly in your position.
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        10-17-2012, 06:04 PM
      #13
    Green Broke
    Blueyed, I am courious as to how your horse looks and wondering if you would post a photo? I have watched animal cops take horses that looked good while leaving others at places that they were starving them.
         
        10-17-2012, 07:57 PM
      #14
    Weanling
    Also, if you post pics on here, you may get some valuable advice, or even comments that could help your side if things progress with the ac officer.
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        10-18-2012, 10:07 PM
      #15
    Foal
    OK. Got some pics taken today.

    I am aware of my TB mare's appearance, we have been fighting hard against a losing battle with cancer. The mare eats well, and is still very much her old self.


    Showing her tumor:


    My stallion, soon to be gelding...


    My blind app, who as stated before, has some anxiety and issues maintaining weight since the start of her disability, but yes, she has always been ewe-necked...


    On AC's last visit, they decided they had a problem with this mare's weight as well. She is a 21yo TB.


    I might add that these four horses are lawn ornaments, and are not, nor have they been in any sort of riding or training program for quite some time. All photos were taken today, 10/18/2012.
         
        10-18-2012, 11:31 PM
      #16
    Trained
    That poor baby with the cancer....AWWWWWWW! Dadgumit that stuff's just no fair. She looks very sweet, but I can see why AC is concerned. It's valid and from the looks of that tumour, not likely to be able to be resolved, unless you start tube feeding her or can get her to eat 'horsey soup'.

    The 2nd guy, will probably pick up enough weight as soon as he's gelded, you mentioned he's a fence runner right? That will probably go away fairly quickly once he's snipped.

    The Appy mare and the 21 yo are both thinner than anybody likes, but certainly not thin enough for them to consider stepping in, I wouldn't think. Both of them would probably benefit from having sheets on full time right now and being stalled at least long enough to eat 2X/day or even over night if you can do that. That has helped my older ones to gain/keep weight when nothing else would do it.

    At the weight they're at, they are feeling the cold already, even if it's 60 they are probably cold. I'd toss a windproof sheet on all 4 of them and see if that didn't help some.

    I'm so sorry.
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        10-19-2012, 12:04 PM
      #17
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
    That poor baby with the cancer....AWWWWWWW! Dadgumit that stuff's just no fair. She looks very sweet, but I can see why AC is concerned. It's valid and from the looks of that tumour, not likely to be able to be resolved, unless you start tube feeding her or can get her to eat 'horsey soup'.
    The cancer has been very rotten to deal with. The vets have told me that the chance of improving her current condition is poor, but that as long as she was happy and otherwise comfortable, let her live a bit longer. I have followed their instructions in regard to care and feeding. While the tumor does make it difficult to eat normally, it has not caused her a lack of appetite. She remains very aggressive with her feed, just takes her longer to finish now, but she does finish. On the colder days, I add in a bit of hot water.

    Her spirit has not diminished in the least. She manhandled my horse-savvy assistant yesterday.

    I have spoken to two AC officers in two different states, and both comfortably feel that since I have veterinarians involved and are aware of the situation and have been advising me all along, that AC cannot step in and go against what a veterinarian has told me to do.

    The vet's coming Monday to do check-ups and discuss future plans. I just met with the excavator about selecting a place and digging a hole.
         
        10-19-2012, 08:12 PM
      #18
    Foal
    They're all a lot thinner than I'd like to see, especially around the topline. IMO their feeding does need to be looked at, TBs can be difficult to feed but it doesn't excuse poor condition - the challenge is finding the combination of feed that they will do well on - the nutrition board on here is a great source of info for such things

    However I don't think AC has any right to be involved based on those photos - the poor mare with the cancer is the only one that I would consider that level of thin, and there is a clear reason behind it with a number of vets to back you up. Since they are all quite lean, I can somewhat understand AC's suspicion, but if the AC officer is nitpicking on you feeding squares vs bales and criticizing your choice of a higher end feed then she really needs to re-read her job description. Unacceptable.
         
        10-20-2012, 09:56 AM
      #19
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Gremmy    
    They're all a lot thinner than I'd like to see, especially around the topline. IMO their feeding does need to be looked at, TBs can be difficult to feed but it doesn't excuse poor condition - the challenge is finding the combination of feed that they will do well on - the nutrition board on here is a great source of info for such things

    However I don't think AC has any right to be involved based on those photos - the poor mare with the cancer is the only one that I would consider that level of thin, and there is a clear reason behind it with a number of vets to back you up. Since they are all quite lean, I can somewhat understand AC's suspicion, but if the AC officer is nitpicking on you feeding squares vs bales and criticizing your choice of a higher end feed then she really needs to re-read her job description. Unacceptable.
    That statement caught me off guard. I am glad AC is involved. Several horses are thin not just 1. OP all you can do is prove what you are doing and that it is adaquate for the conditions of each horse. Your original post sounds as if you are doing things proper but I am concerned when it is 3-4 horses not just 1. I am not trying to shame you but maybe if we can help you. It is usually a care issue especially when you have a few with weight issues. Maybe the quality of what you are feeding is part of the issue. I will go back and double check what you are feeding as I don't remember.

    Years ago I took care of a TB that was thin and the owner could never get it to gain weight. I wormed it a few times gave it extra feed (not alot but a little more than the avaerage horse) and it blossomed and gained weight easily. Now if theere are other health issues like cancer then that isn't controllable.
         
        10-20-2012, 10:02 AM
      #20
    Green Broke
    I wanted to thank you for provinding the photo's and risk what people will post. I understand it is hard but with limited funds I would put the 1 with cancer down and the blind one down and consentrate on the other 2. I know it isn't easy but it will benifit the other 2 with more resources.
         

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