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    08-08-2012, 12:28 PM
  #11
Trained
The funding was pulled as an easy way to stop slaughter. It was restored over Obama's objection, but it was placed in a huge funding bill that would have caused big problems if vetoed. So he signed it.

I doubt more than 1 in 10 politicians in DC understand anything about the implications of slaughtering horses. In fact, the number may be more like 1/100. Politicians understand cities. That is where the votes are.
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    08-08-2012, 02:38 PM
  #12
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Originally Posted by Joe4d    
wernt the plants being shut down or going out of business already ? I am thinking funding was pulled as there just wasnt that many inspections to be made. This industry moved south for the same reason everything else has. Cheap labor and no environmental or liability laws.

Wrong.

The plants were busy. The Illinois plant handled about 1,000 horses A WEEK. There were farms that fed horses out the same way cattle farmers have feedlots.

It's more expensive to ship out of the country.

As Speedracer said, it was a public pressure situation.
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    08-08-2012, 02:45 PM
  #13
Foal
The President doesn't decide the funding. Funding for federal programs is laid out by the U.S. House of Representatives.
     
    08-08-2012, 03:07 PM
  #14
Foal
So.. the president signed a bill providing funding to USDA inspectors but congress hasn't yay or nay ed the bill yet?
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    08-09-2012, 05:20 PM
  #15
Foal
Funding was pulled because of the incontrovertible evidence of routine abuse and suffering in the horse slaughter pipeline. Has nothing to do with "animal rights activists," but nice try. In addition, the fact that surveys show 70 to 80% of the population (including 71% of horse owners) opposed to horse slaughter makes most politicians who are NOT in the pockets of Big Ag take notice.

It is also **finally** being tied to incentivizing lottery-style breeding and hoarding, both of which create problems for equine welfare. Slaughter is bad for horses, bad for the equine industry and causes inexcusable suffering to horses.
     
    08-09-2012, 06:08 PM
  #16
Trained
Death is never pretty. Not for humans, nor horses nor cattle. My Mom's death was by choking at breakfast followed by a heart attack at 85. I'm sure it wasn't pretty, clean, quick or painless.

Most of the US population lives in cities. Most have never killed an animal they ate. Most are hopelessly clueless about anything involving animal life outside of bars.

The problem isn't breeders breeding without a market. The problem is the 'product' can live 25-35 years, and a horse bred when the market is good will still be alive when the market sucks.

The problem is with owners who buy horses and throw them away a few years later. My little free mustang is a good trail pony (13 hands). He can do nothing for a month, then take an adult out on a 2-3 hour trail ride as if he was being ridden daily. He's an easy keeper and loves attention. The instructor I was taking lessons from could also count at least 6 owners that she knew of in his 14 year life. Buy pony. Daughter grows. Sell pony. We don't need a third horse, which is why I know he can go without riding for a month and then behave well...but if our finances allow, we'll keep him. Maybe for 20 years.



But we're the exception, which is why we are at least his 7th owner, not counting the BLM. Lord willing, we'll be his last.

Slaughter isn't pretty. Shipping to Mexico for slaughter there is worse. Dumping in the desert to be eaten alive by coyotes is even worse. And there are plenty of people who will do that. One of my 3 dogs is a German Shepherd who had that happen to him...loving, sweet, adores people, and dumped in the desert to die.
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    08-09-2012, 07:53 PM
  #17
Foal
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The E.U. European Union , which controls the horse meat from Canada and Mexico will no longer be accepting US horse meat as of 2013. There will be no need for US to slaughter horses for human consumption. The reason is US horses have been medication with drugs that either have no withdrawal time, or and extended withdrawal time. Drugs that have no withdrawal time used commonly in US horses is Bute, clenbuterol, furacin and others. The E.U. Has placed a requirement for any US horse to have a passport like the european horses have, a passport is a document that follows the US horse from birth to slaughter, documenting any and all drugs, vaccines, wormers, pain meds, tranquilizer, even fly spray. The slaughter for equines in the US due to the state and local governments were experiencing horrible filth, tainted water, tainted air and an increase in crime. Horse slaughter for human consumption provides just a few jobs and mostly immigrants. The lack of slaughter in the US has reduced the number of stolen horses. The horses that end up in Mexico are brutally stabbed with a pointed knife called a puntilla method, it's horrible cruel, bloody and causes the horses to be fearful as they hear their fellow horses screaming in pain. California, in 1997, passed a law prohibiting any transaction where one would buy, sell give away, take and transport any equine for slaughter. Although the kill buyers still sneak and aquire horses using various tactics, it is illegal in Ca. There was a recent Texas Senate hearing on horse slaughter in their state, one speaker, Jerry Finch from Habitat for Horses, gave a testimony presenting this issue with facts and numbers. I suggest, if you or anyone else is interested in know the factual truth, look it up or join facebook and look up horse slaughter.The pro slaughter people spin the facts and want to feed the meat to school children and prisoners... truth !
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    08-09-2012, 09:48 PM
  #18
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Originally Posted by JumpingPaints    
In addition, the fact that surveys show 70 to 80% of the population (including 71% of horse owners) opposed to horse slaughter makes most politicians who are NOT in the pockets of Big Ag take notice.
I completely disagree with this. All of the horse forums that I am part of, and they are all the big ones - the majority of posters agree with horse slaughter. That doesn't mean we are off slitting our horses throats, it means that we see it as a necessary evil.
     
    08-09-2012, 10:19 PM
  #19
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Originally Posted by bsms    
Slaughter isn't pretty. Shipping to Mexico for slaughter there is worse. Dumping in the desert to be eaten alive by coyotes is even worse. And there are plenty of people who will do that. One of my 3 dogs is a German Shepherd who had that happen to him...loving, sweet, adores people, and dumped in the desert to die.
Slaughter definitely isn't pretty, and was just as ugly when American plants were open and the same abusive American kill buyers were shipping a slightly shorter distances to TX and IL, and still shipping 10K+ horses a year out of the country. 28% injury rate after 12 hours in an unsegregated trailer based on a study of slaughterbound horses. When American plants were open they were still traveling long periods; sometimes days as KBs went from auction to auction to fill up (in that economy there wasn't as much supply).

Also agree it's not nice for horses to starve in the desert. Unfortunately, the largest mass desert abandonment traced back to kill buyers. They were routinely dumping horses rejected at the Mexican border in the TX desert. A great little scam until helicopters noticed green slaughter tags. At that point it was estimated the slaughter industry had dumped about 5,000 horses in the desert.

Fascinating when you realize an industry actually causes the problems it purports to solve. Mystery Surrounding Abandoned Horses Finally Solved
     
    08-09-2012, 10:22 PM
  #20
Foal
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Originally Posted by AlexS    
I completely disagree with this. All of the horse forums that I am part of, and they are all the big ones - the majority of posters agree with horse slaughter. That doesn't mean we are off slitting our horses throats, it means that we see it as a necessary evil.
You can disagree all you like. These were scientifically conducted polls to eliminate bias. The problem with the online forums is PSAs (pro slaughter activists) have a tendency to be bullies and ignore the facts about slaughter. So rational people don't participate.
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