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    08-09-2012, 10:26 PM
  #21
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Originally Posted by JumpingPaints    
You can disagree all you like. These were scientifically conducted polls to eliminate bias. The problem with the online forums is PSAs (pro slaughter activists) have a tendency to be bullies and ignore the facts about slaughter. So rational people don't participate.
Can you provide some statistics to back up your point? Legitimate studies, not PETA.

I would suggest that the pro lifers are also equal bullies. And so those on the pro slaughter side don't speak up in equal amounts - but as there are no studies that can speak to those who don't speak up lets keep to facts.
     
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    08-09-2012, 10:44 PM
  #22
Trained
"Slaughter definitely isn't pretty, and was just as ugly when American plants were open..."

Nope. No comparison between US plants and Mexican.

I live 60 miles from the Mexican border. I'd rather take my chances on a business that tries dumping horses (and can be fined out of business) than on individuals.

As for polls...I can find polls saying most Americans believe Obama was born in Kenya. I'm somewhere to the right of Rush Limbaugh politically, but no number of people saying Obama was born in Kenya will make it true. Ask a bunch of city folks "Should the noble horses of America be ruthlessly tortured and slaughtered to feed the French?", and the answer will be no.

Polling ignorance reveals what ignorant people feel, not what a thinking person concludes.
     
    08-09-2012, 11:17 PM
  #23
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Originally Posted by bsms    
As for polls...I can find polls saying most Americans believe Obama was born in Kenya. I'm somewhere to the right of Rush Limbaugh politically, but no number of people saying Obama was born in Kenya will make it true. Ask a bunch of city folks "Should the noble horses of America be ruthlessly tortured and slaughtered to feed the French?", and the answer will be no.

Polling ignorance reveals what ignorant people feel, not what a thinking person concludes.
Actually, for those of us who work in statistics, polls can be structured scientifically to prevent bias. The results from the example you could only be achieved using a selective sample, which would render the results unscientific. Lots of folks like to conduct amateur polls and claim the results worthy, but they simply aren't valid and you won't see them reported by legitimate media organizations.

The poll I'm referring to was done by a national research firm, Lake Research Partners. The results were consistent across geographic and political boundaries, age and gender. I'm sorry if it doesn't conform to the very blatant horse eater bias on this forum (which I was duly warned about). My hope is there are some lurkers interested in real facts and information.
     
    08-09-2012, 11:21 PM
  #24
Foal
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Originally Posted by bsms    
"Slaughter definitely isn't pretty, and was just as ugly when American plants were open..."

Nope. No comparison between US plants and Mexican.
Facts be a pesky thing. See the plants US horses have always gone to for decades in Mexico (and I'm betting you didn't care about that until the US plants were shut) use only approved EU processes. Yep, the very same captive bolt process used in American plants. There's almost no difference between American and Mexican / Canadian processing. The vast majority of the abuse and suffering occurs in transit, at the hands of American kill buyers.

The video of the Mexican plants using puntilla knives were municipal plants that kill Mexican stock for cafeterias. Those are truly horrific, but we in America can't do anything about that.
     
    08-09-2012, 11:25 PM
  #25
Trained
Polling stupid or ignorant people merely tells you what stupid or ignorant people feel. It does NOT tell anyone what a thinking person should think.

Most Americans don't know the difference between the front and rear end of a horse, which may be why we send so many rear ends to Washington.

So...what are YOU suggesting we do with unwanted horses? All the charities are packed to the gills where I live. I've got one more than I ride and can't afford to feed any more horses just for fun. Your solution is...?
     
    08-09-2012, 11:34 PM
  #26
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Originally Posted by JumpingPaints    
...See the plants US horses have always gone to for decades in Mexico (and I'm betting you didn't care about that until the US plants were shut) use only approved EU processes. Yep, the very same captive bolt process used in American plants...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wouldn't have believed that when I was 20, and the earth has gone around the sun a number of times since I was 20...
     
    08-10-2012, 12:30 AM
  #27
Foal
Is there any place to get information that isn't funded by the industry or those against it? Both sides can provide "facts" disproving the others "facts" and this could go on forever. Or possibly could those who provide facts provide links siteing the info?
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    08-10-2012, 12:31 AM
  #28
Weanling
Amusing that Euope has decided to close its doors to US horses due to the very same medicinal practices that we in Canada use...

I am one that is pro slaughter, as a necesary evil, and I hope for the day that humane plants are established for all livestock. I stock the freezer with our own meat (hunting) and local farmed meat whenever I can. Not only does it taste phenomenally better, but I know I'm supporting something wholesome for my family's health, another family's and that of the animals we're eating.
     
    08-10-2012, 05:53 AM
  #29
Trained
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Originally Posted by JumpingPaints    
I'm sorry if it doesn't conform to the very blatant horse eater bias on this forum (which I was duly warned about).
I don't eat horse. It's legal here where I live, and a few select butchers sell it. But I don't eat it. However, I am still pro-slaughter. Show me evidence that has been collected, don't spout "facts" that are not supported by empirical data. Give me a link to the study, don't tell me who did it. Any scientific paper doesn't just include an in-text reference, they have an end text so that interested parties can check their information. You want us to believe you? This is how you do it.
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    08-10-2012, 09:48 AM
  #30
Yearling
Horses are flight animals, how can they be humanely slaughtered?
     

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