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        08-10-2012, 12:31 PM
      #41
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    Originally Posted by JumpingPaints    
    I'm sorry if it doesn't conform to the very blatant horse eater bias on this forum (which I was duly warned about).
    And with that statement I realize my stupidity in responding to this conversation.
    I am pro choice on the human abortion issue too, I suppose I should get on with making my baby stew for dinner!
         
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        08-10-2012, 12:40 PM
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    Originally Posted by AlexS    
    I am pro choice on the human abortion issue too, I suppose I should get on with making my baby stew for dinner!


    I prefer mine fricasseed, and served with a nice Chianti. FFFFFTTTTHHHH!!!
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        08-10-2012, 12:54 PM
      #43
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Silent one    
    JumpingPaints,

    I'm just real curious. Can you tell me the "statistics" of how many of the unwanted horses that you have taken in and kept and/or rehomed since the slaughter houses closed down? As in.

    How many have you personally taken in from the Humane Society or a horse rescue facility?

    How many horses that you saw in an auction that were in trouble have you purchased and brought home?

    How many of these horses that you have taken in have been rehomed successfully (not sold, I mean rehomed and you keep up with them)?

    How many of these horses that you have taken in have you kept?


    Then I would like to hear out of us "horse haters and eaters" some or all of the same answers.
    HERE is the real tell on the whole subject. The anti-slaughter peeps want us to keep our horses 'til death do us part' but when offered free horses to rescue, can't possibly take one or 6 or 20, but they expect the horse owners to absorb them all.

    A friend of mine got sucked into a very no win (for him) situation. He loaned someone a bunch of money to pay off their back bill with a large name trainer so that the horses wouldn't be liened and shipped off to Mexico, which is what the trainer was threatening. The terms of the contract called for repayment within a year and the horses were moved to an uninvolved 3rd party location.

    This friend is not a horseman, doesn't own horses and didn't ever want to. A year and a half later, he owned 26 of them and had paid 18 months of very large board, farrier and vet bills for these horses. He ended up having to lien the horses and having to sell them.

    They ended up over here at my house so I could work with them and get the majority to accept a human, halter and lead and maybe even get a couple started.

    During this time, on Facebook, there were some really ugly anti-slaughter people going after anyone who admitted to breeding horses, whether it was on a large or small scale didn't matter. We all got abused. One of the nastiest asked why I bred and didn't rescue? LOL!!! I laughed and told her I had 25 rescues on my property right now and how many would she like and where should I deliver them? Of course, she couldn't possibly take a HORSE! For God's sake what was I thinking?

    Yeah, this HORSE EATER just hates 'em all.........
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        08-10-2012, 12:56 PM
      #44
    Green Broke
    We've had many threads on this topic, and I've read them all, and commented on many of them. All I can tell you is my observation. In 2007 I read about the IL plant closing. The horses going through IL auctions after the closing didn't have the "meat market" buying/shipping same day for quick slaughter. I've been to a few of these auctions and it breaks my heart to see crippled and sick horses that NOBODY bids on. I don't know what the auction houses do with them bc the owners disappear. (Maybe they sue, since you have to register for a number for each horse and provide a negative Coggins.) I won't go to watch, anymore. I bought many a decent horse from these auctions in the 1980's, so they aren't "heck-holes"(edit) of suffering.
    Yes, butchering an animal isn't pretty. I keep and raise dule-duty chickens, and I am one that does the butchering at my house. My birds live a good life--except for the one rooster who died recently from the extreme July heat--not a mark on him. (Too bad--he would have weighed out at over 8 pounds.) I make the kill quick, so my birds don't suffer. IF the slaughterhouses were brutal, we would have gotten story after story about the abuse for many years, and we didn't. I used to talk to the meat market buyers, and they weren't monsters. I understand there is turnover, probably bc it is much harder to slaughter a horse than to slaughter a chicken. We have empathy for their intelligence.
    We can only do right with those things that we control--
    Our treatment of our OWN animals.
    We can do nothing about those people who overbreed, or "backyard breeders" who don't understand genetics, and put animals on the market with flaws that limit their ability to be ridden or driven. We can do NOTHING about breeders who breed horses with bad temperaments that pass this on to their get bc of the "show horse qualities." Just $ in their eyes, and those horses suffer. We love/hate the racing industry that dumps a great many horses on the market bc they don't run fast enough. You add this terrible economy where well-meaning horse owners lose a job and cannot feed the horse they bought 4 years ago or more, and cannot find a home, even for free, and we have a LOT of unwanted horses in 2012. We NEED these slaughterhouses back and working.
         
        08-10-2012, 04:54 PM
      #45
    Weanling
    Haha have to laugh..to think I was afraid of being bullied if I spoke my personal opinion..I just researched this issue for the last 3 hours..yep the old fashioned way at the local library. What I learned didn't surprise me at all and no amnt of sarcasm, bully tactics or strong words will change my beliefs and my vote counts just like every other registered voter. I know I don't have all the answers and I know I can't right all the wrongs in the world. This horse owner of both market horses & rescue horses is against the inhumane slaughter of horses.
    Below is a brief article from the ASPCA on the issue if any one wants factual info from a reputable organization
    ASPCA | Horse Slaughter

    Have a great day everyone and may the sunshine in your corner of the world
         
        08-10-2012, 05:03 PM
      #46
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    The ASPCA is hardly an unbiased source. I also don't consider an organization 'reputable' that puts commercials on TV and insinuates that if you donate to them you'll be helping animals in your community, because it's simply not true. None of the money donated goes to any local shelters. If you want your local SPCA to get money or donations, better drive there and hand it to them, or they won't see one dime.

    The ASPCA is no more about taking care of abused/neglected/abandoned animals, than is PETA or HSUS.

    As far as their 'facts', I didn't see any solutions posted, just more rhetoric. Yes, let's get the borders closed, because that won't cause MORE suffering. Oh wait, yes it will! That just means more animals abandoned because you've cut off the last pipeline for assisting with the problem.

    When the antis can come up with realistic, workable solutions, then I'll be more than happy to listen. If all you do is scream about stopping equine slaughter without coming up with actual ways of taking care of the undesirable and unwanted animals, then you're not making any real contributions.
         
        08-10-2012, 05:09 PM
      #47
    Green Broke
    I am willing to listen to a better, yet, affordable solution to the horse over-population problem we have. I read the article you linked, but their solution still sends these horses to be slaughtered...except it's in Mexico. That's a 3-5 day drive, and I doubt they are fed or watered on the way, like WE would if we we trailering OUR horses. YEARS ago, when the argument to close our horse slaughterhouses began, the proponents used this "3-5 days to Mexico" as their rallying cry, when it was 3-5 HOURS north to NW IL.
    Did I miss the better solution? I would PREFER a better solution to ANY horse slaughter, however, I am almost 55yo, and I do miss things.
    Animal overpopulation is a worldwide problem. There are counties in the USA that have figured out how to decrease dog populations by charging a small fee if you have neutered or spayed your dog, and charging >$300/year for registration of a dog intact. Those counties have very empty dog shelters, and are contributing to the solution. In other countries, they shoot dogs and often they die slowly in great pain.
    I have followed this issue for almost 30 years. I believe that we horse-owners have a vested interest in what becomes of unwanted horses, and we cannot ignore suffering. PLEASE tell me about a better solution. I will be happy to consider ANYTHING that prevents animal suffering.
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        08-10-2012, 05:25 PM
      #48
    Trained
    In the town that my daughter lives in, there are areas of the town that have free spaying and neutering for dogs and cats. All other residents can get their pets spayed or neutered for almost next to nothing. Also state law requires all pets adopted from a shelter be spayed or neutered.

    Yet there are huge numbers of pets abandoned in the streets or taken to the pound to be euthanized. The spay and neuter plan is not working.
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        08-10-2012, 05:30 PM
      #49
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    So what makes people think those types who won't spay/neuter their animals and who own horses would be any more responsible about euthing their charges instead of turning them loose?

    You can't MAKE people be responsible. They either will or won't be, which is why if the antis want slaughter made unavailable they need to come up with viable, realistic, workable solutions, not something predicated on MAKING people be responsible.

    I don't think it's asking too much by expecting the people who want to federally ban slaughter be responsible for coming up with a solution to all the unwanted horses. Those of us who aren't against it are not the problem; we already have a solution, but the antis don't like it. So, the ball's in their court to come up with something else.
         
        08-11-2012, 07:46 PM
      #50
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by bsms    
    I have no horse eater bias. I have no desire to eat horses. I don't make a penny off of horse slaughter. I also don't see any alternative that seems better than allowing US plants to slaughter under US regulators.

    I'm still waiting for the anti-slaughter folks to come up with a retirement home for horses the size of Oklahoma, where all horses are allowed to live to old age and die with 'dignity'.
    They don't need all that. All they need is an owner who says, "Not my horse".

    I'm anti-slaughter-for my horses. I'd ***** myself if I had to, to give my horses a dignified, peaceful end at home.

    We each need to be able to live with our decisions & for me personally, sending a horse off would add guilt to my grief. I know I'd get over the grief eventually but I'd never get over the guilt.
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