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post #61 of 93 Old 08-13-2012, 04:24 PM
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Living close the the Alabama border line has made me very wary of slaughter. When there was an equine slaughter plant in Alabama, horses were stolen all the time. They were processed so fast that nothing could be done. Sure slaughtering stolen horses was illegal. It was also profitable. The local plants give horse thiefs a good market for their goods. It will be profitable if there is a local slaughter plant.

Drugs are illegal. People sell drugs. If there were no market, there would be no drugs. Horses will be stolen if there is a market. The plant in Alabama routinely processed stolen horses.

Back in the old west days, they would have have public hangings for horse thiefs. It happened quickly and without appeal. Since public hanging is unlikely to take place, what do the pro-slaughter people propose to do about theft? I put years of my life, a lot of my soul, and a whole lot of money into my horses. I don't want them stolen and killed for profit.

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post #62 of 93 Old 08-13-2012, 04:34 PM
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Everyone is confusing me:0... I don't disagree with horse slaughter or slaughter at all.. Im not going to eat horse though.. But I'm not going to judge people that do.. I mean people don't eat cow because its part of there culture.. so I'm not going to say we shouldn't slaughter them but we can sluaghter cows.. and pigs and what not... but like stated above.. I don't want my horse stolen for profit:/ that would NOT be cool...

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Since public hanging is unlikely to take place, what do the pro-slaughter people propose to do about theft? I put years of my life, a lot of my soul, and a whole lot of money into my horses. I don't want them stolen and killed for profit.
The only thing anyone can do, pro or anti, to discourage theft is to have the proper measures in place to make it more difficult. You're not the only one who has put in emotion, money, and time into their animals.

If you're that worried about it, better put in a security system. Plenty of horses get stolen every day, which makes no sense to me since there are so many freebies out there.

Do you think it's anyone's fault except a thief's if your vehicle is stolen? Then why would you think your animals' safety should be on anyone except yourself? That's a sad, weak argument and based on nothing more than emotional hysteria.

You want the truth? You can't HANDLE the truth!

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Never having lived close to a slaughter facility, I hadn't realized that it was that bad for theft. I'm still not 'anti-slaughter' - but I can see how it would be disconcerting to live with the fear of theft like that.

Strange that it would affect the horse market so much - even when cattle prices were quite high, my parents were never worried that the herd might disappear in the night (and our security consisted of a three-strand barbed wire fence ) and my husband's farm has never lost hogs or chickens...

(Well, aside from one rather unpleasant neighbour who would sneak off with a chicken dinner every once in a while, after filling up his scooter from the farm gas tank! Even after putting locks on EVERYTHING, they were VERY happy when he moved away!!!)
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Cows are much harder to steal than horses. The horses will let you catch them and then quietly walk on the trailer.

There is no market for stolen horses now. There will be if there are close by slaughter plants.

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well, I have to disagree, there still are things stolen no matter what.. people should watch there animals closer I guess.. Horse slaughter is NEEDED IMO:)

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I can see the situation where horses are slaughtered too quickly and so are stolen for this. However I don't see how this connects with the for or against argument.

The fact that this happens is not because slaughter was in your state, it's because proper precautions were not taken to check the horses that were accepted and the people running the plants were crooks.

Every time I took my car to a mechanic, I seemed to specialize in finding crooks - should all mechanics be banned?
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This again? I'm not going to repeat myself so feel free to look up the other threads on the subject.

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The E.U. European Union , which controls the horse meat from Canada and Mexico will no longer be accepting US horse meat as of 2013. There will be no need for US to slaughter horses for human consumption. The reason is US horses have been medication with drugs that either have no withdrawal time, or and extended withdrawal time. Drugs that have no withdrawal time used commonly in US horses is Bute, clenbuterol, furacin and others. The E.U. Has placed a requirement for any US horse to have a passport like the european horses have, a passport is a document that follows the US horse from birth to slaughter, documenting any and all drugs, vaccines, wormers, pain meds, tranquilizer, even fly spray. The slaughter for equines in the US due to the state and local governments were experiencing horrible filth, tainted water, tainted air and an increase in crime. Horse slaughter for human consumption provides just a few jobs and mostly immigrants. The lack of slaughter in the US has reduced the number of stolen horses. The horses that end up in Mexico are brutally stabbed with a pointed knife called a puntilla method, it's horrible cruel, bloody and causes the horses to be fearful as they hear their fellow horses screaming in pain. California, in 1997, passed a law prohibiting any transaction where one would buy, sell give away, take and transport any equine for slaughter. Although the kill buyers still sneak and aquire horses using various tactics, it is illegal in Ca. There was a recent Texas Senate hearing on horse slaughter in their state, one speaker, Jerry Finch from Habitat for Horses, gave a testimony presenting this issue with facts and numbers. I suggest, if you or anyone else is interested in know the factual truth, look it up or join facebook and look up horse slaughter.The pro slaughter people spin the facts and want to feed the meat to school children and prisoners... truth !
I would love to see evidence of this EU plan though! Keeping in mind that there is currently *no* US horse meat to not accept Canada's market share for horse meat exports to France for example, more than doubled after the US exited the industry. Our imports from the US of slaughter-bound horses also increased by an insane amount.

Keep fighting the good fight guys, Canada's GDP thanks you.
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Isn't Canada's horse market in general much healthier than it is in the US too?
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When we HAD horse slaughter in IL the horses were bought at auctions that required a negative Coggins. It was an orderly process. When my old horses have passed on, I have paid "Animal By-Products" to collect the bodies. (I trim mane and tail hair to keep and sob over afterwards.) About 5 years ago my Vet warned me that horses were being stolen from pastures for shipping to Europe and slaughtered live for meat. So, I put chains and locks on all of my gates. Anybody can catch and load my horses in a trailer. Some people here can't say that about their horses. I guess I could go one step further and microchip them. Why do you think that there are guarantees to your horse's 100% safety? Maybe you should buy some insurance against the loss?
Horse slaughter went on for decades and decades and was accepted--not ever loved--as a way to keep sick and dying animals from dying and rotting and attracting wolves (when we had them) and bears (when we had them) and coyotes and rats to your property, or your neighbor's property. It wasn't a problem until the recent rise in a group that believes it's tantamount to a sin to slaughter a horse, which is your property and your livestock. It's no different to steal a horse than to steal any other animal.
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