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        10-19-2009, 07:36 PM
      #121
    Trained
    Yup, I agree with that too. Same problem with the non-hunters (those that aren't vegetarians). I always want to ask the anti-slaughter people if they've spent any time with a baby cow? Because they're pretty darn cute AND trainable. I know a women who "rescued" a free-martin heifer who was going to slaughter and trained it to ride. It's been in her pasture for at least 10 years with her horse.
         
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        10-19-2009, 09:36 PM
      #122
    Green Broke
    100% Agree. Very hypocritical.

    I will never understand it.

    And for-slaughter people on here: Enlighten me on your thoughts toward livestock and tell me the difference between killing an innocent cow and an innocent horse. You will find there isn't one.
         
        10-20-2009, 07:08 AM
      #123
    Trained
    At least the horse (generally) that is has a couple good years. In the case of turkeys and chickens their lives are pretty terrible right up til they get to the slaughter house. Most slaughter bound pigs never see daylight unless it's during transport. What about layer chickens that we get our eggs from? Read up on the industry standards there and tell me horses have it worse than other livestock.

    Not saying all livestock are treated badly, but if you're going to tell me how terrible I am because I'm not frothing at the bit about horse slaughter (which I don't love by any means) then I want to know what your attitude is towards the slaughter of other animals. I don't have a lot of patience with hypocrits (unless they openly admit they are being hypocritical).
         
        10-20-2009, 05:50 PM
      #124
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sunny06    
    100% Agree. Very hypocritical.

    I will never understand it.

    And for-slaughter people on here: Enlighten me on your thoughts toward livestock and tell me the difference between killing an innocent cow and an innocent horse. You will find there isn't one.
    I am against slaughter and I see little or no difference in the value of the life of a cow and the value of the life of a horse. What I do see is innocent animals being killed. We already have horse slaughter banned in the USA, that is a huge step. It would be near impossible at this point to attempt to ban cow slaughter. I see a huge hole in the logic of stating that because cows are slaughtered, it is okay for horses to be slaughtered. If you truly cared about innocent lives being taken you wouldn't want any animal to be slaughtered. It doesn't make any sense to say "well, cows are being killed, so why shouldn't horses be killed too?" The less animals sent to slaughter, the better. I wish that cows were not slaughtered, but it is an incredibly powerful industry and ingrained into America. Uprooting horse slaughter is a lot easier because it is already banned and the majority of America does not agree with it.

    Also, the argument that slaughter is cheaper and easier than euthanization/death by bullet is invalid. It costs and wastes MUCH more (in money, time and materials, such as metal and gas) to construct, operate, and supply a slaughter house then to euthanize or shoot an animal. Where do you plan to get this money and materials to create a slaughter house? If you are thinking the government, they have many more important things to attend to then killing innocent animals. Creating slaughter houses will not solve the problem of too many horses. There would still be starving old horses sitting around in muddy paddocks. Horse breeders need to be educated and anybody that owns a horse must be able to supply a happy and healthy life for the horse or be able to sell the horse to another person who will be able to take good care of the horse, and be able to have a vet euthanize a horse at the end or have it shot in the head.
         
        10-20-2009, 06:15 PM
      #125
    Green Broke
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    I see little or no difference in the value of the life of a cow and the value of the life of a horse.
    Technically, this should be the end of the story. Because if you see no harm in killing a cow, then how is a horse any different? You can bond to a cow just as easily as a horse.

    Most can't get past the whole 'horse slaughter' thing solely because they've been around horses and not cows. Walk a mile in a cow-lover's shoes before one goes and make assumptions (not saying anyone personally is, but anyone who says that the life of a cow is worthless when compared to a horse). I don't think anyone has blatently said it, but I've wondered a few times if that's where they were heading.

    It IS sad that innocent horses/animals/whatever are slaughtered. It really is. But they are put here for many reasons. One to feed us. Our bodies need protein. And really, if you don't want to eat meat, and think it's horrible, then by all means don't!

    I feel one is just wasting the animal when they turn their nose up at it (not saying anyone is). Like the whole fur coat thing all over again. I guess PETA never stopped to think that paint-balling a coat would mean that that life would no longer be enjoyed, but would instead be making that life go to waste.

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    We already have horse slaughter banned in the USA, that is a huge step.
    Now they are all going down to Mexico where they truly WILL be mistreated. Lovely!

    I guess I should ask this: If slaughter was done in a more humane manner, would it be more or less tolerable?

    Someone answer that. I'm curious to know.
         
        10-20-2009, 06:23 PM
      #126
    Trained
    Cows, chickens, and pigs are all delicous. I haven't tried horse yet but I'm willing. Animals are for food or work. That's all they're for. Nobody expects the government to build slaughterhouses. There is plenty of money in it to pay for the facilities and create more jobs. As I have said before, if you don't like it then don't do it. Try not to stick your nose in my business.
         
        10-20-2009, 06:27 PM
      #127
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    Try not to stick your nose in my business.
    Where'd that come from? Do you work in a slaughterhouse?
         
        10-20-2009, 06:39 PM
      #128
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    Cows, chickens, and pigs are all delicous. I haven't tried horse yet but I'm willing. Animals are for food or work. That's all they're for. Nobody expects the government to build slaughterhouses. There is plenty of money in it to pay for the facilities and create more jobs. As I have said before, if you don't like it then don't do it. Try not to stick your nose in my business.
    My ag teacher in high school said horse was a little stringier and sweeter. I could eat it I think, but it's hard for me to eat a cow if I have seen it alive. Personally, I think it is the way of nature. I love my horses, and I would like to keep them all with me for the rest of their lives, but if they were totally lame, hurting constantly, etc. I feel there are plenty of hungry people in the world and unwanted horses that could benefit from having slaughter houses. We would be exporting most of the meat, but that is a good thing. At the moment we import much more than we export. America needs to export more goods to help the economy. It produces jobs, food, and a outlet for unwanted horses.

    I agree that breeding should be more regulated. I feel that it should be in dogs as well. I'm not even saying that you should not be able to choose what horses to breed, but I could see paying for a liscence and having to report to some kind of authority.


    Horse slaughter is not the solution, but it is part of a solution. Right now, it is needed.
         
        10-20-2009, 06:49 PM
      #129
    Green Broke
    ^ *Applauds*

    I agree 100% :)
         
        10-20-2009, 08:22 PM
      #130
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sunny06    
    Technically, this should be the end of the story. Because if you see no harm in killing a cow, then how is a horse any different? You can bond to a cow just as easily as a horse.

    Most can't get past the whole 'horse slaughter' thing solely because they've been around horses and not cows. Walk a mile in a cow-lover's shoes before one goes and make assumptions (not saying anyone personally is, but anyone who says that the life of a cow is worthless when compared to a horse). I don't think anyone has blatently said it, but I've wondered a few times if that's where they were heading.
    Maybe if you actually read the entire length of the post, you would have realized that I said I disagree with cow slaughter as well. I think slaughtering of any kind is terrible. I only said that because horse slaughter is outlawed in America, it is easier to stop the whole process (INCLUDING shipping to Mexico) then to stop the beef or poultry industry. It is better to save one species from slaughter rather than saving none.

    If you want protein with as little land and money wasted on livestock, then eat edible bugs. I've done it before and they tasted fine. 70% of farmland is used on meat production. It takes 100 pounds of feed to create 10 pounds of beef. Here's a nutritional table comparing traditional meats and insects: Insect Nutritional Table
    America does not need any mammal meat what so ever. Don't even try to argue with me that mammals deserve to die because they are tastier. Farming edible insects is cheaper, more humane, wastes less, and is healthier anyways. Besides, bugs have simpler brains and can't feel pain, therefore slaughtering them is more humane.
         

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